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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, May 29, 2018.

  1. allfoak

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    The kingdom of heaven is within you.

    Gospel of Thomas
    Saying 3: Seeking Within

    Jesus said, "If your leaders tell you, 'Look, the kingdom is in heaven,' then the birds of heaven will precede you. If they tell you, 'It's in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and outside of you.

    "When you know yourselves, then you'll be known, and you'll realize that you're the children of the living Father. But if you don't know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."


    Saying 113: The Kingdom is Already Present

    His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"

    "It won't come by looking for it. They won't say, 'Look over here!' or 'Look over there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is already spread out over the earth, and people don't see it."

    Saying 22: Making the Two into One

    Jesus saw some little children nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing children can be compared to those who enter the kingdom."

    They said to him, "Then we'll enter the kingdom as little children?"

    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and so make the male and the female a single one so that the male won't be male nor the female female; when you make eyes in the place of an eye, a hand in the place of a hand, a foot in the place of a foot, and an image in the place of an image; then you'll enter [the kingdom]."
     
  2. Fool

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    oh come on, get excited:D

    in what context?
     
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    circles and centers need not move

    spirals indicate movment
    spiral galaxies are movement in a large scale
     
  4. Fool

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    Saying 70: Being saved from Within
    70. Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."
     
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    the idea in the original statement comes from nicolas of cusa and indicates that a thing called god is indefinite and omnipresent.

    it can be said in another way, love is a circle whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is no where. thus it fills everything with itself and yet is not definable and is empty of form, like genesis 1:2 where the earth is without form and empty(not yet fulfilled)

    so a spiral could be indicative of infinity given the constant movement; which is a permanent state of motion and obviously having an indefinite form. bit of a paradox as yin and yang indicate

    like another poster stated on here before: you can't step in the same river twice because the river changes constantly as does all.
     
  6. Thief

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    in the vein of this thread......

    encountering the Teacher today
    will not be the same as tomorrow
     
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    she/he could be anyone that quickens your own questioning. they just help bring what is within you from the well's depths.


    John 4:14
    But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
     
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    ok....but my post did not lead you to your quote

    today your Teacher might have kind words for you
    tomorrow He might reprimand ....as He did unto Peter
     
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    i'd service the community but i already have, you see?


    13. Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."

    Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."

    Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."

    Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."

    Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."

    And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"

    Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."

     
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    I would suppose ....you need to be 'in the loop'
    for the items taught in private

    and it is written.....
    God to your closet and close the door
    and the Spirit that knows you will hear your prayer

    are we now teaching each other?.....and the world is our witness?

    what then shall God and heaven compare us to?
     
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    the closet implies an inner room. in the silence you hear that still small voice from within.



    the heart is a reflection of what it sees. heaven and hell are states of the AB

    to god and each other.
     
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    I have tried all day to escape that which has followed me all day long.
    I ran and I hid but there was no escape
    That which followed me was at my side
    I tried again and caught a taxi to the desert
    Again that which followed was at my side
    So I caught an aeroplane
    Flew for miles and miles
    Again that which followed me was by my side
    So I tried again and caught a rocket
    I flew deep into the cosmos
    Stopped and looked at my side
    Again that which followed me was at my side
    How can I escape this space that follows me?

    Did you learn anything by my words?
     
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    i can feel an angel sliding up to me
    i can feel the devil walking next to me
     
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    I wonder what verse you have in mind about Not to be called teachers.....
    As to who instructed Jesus, it was his God, his Father, who Jesus said at John 14:28 that his Father is greater than Jesus. Jesus even stated that his Father is greater than ALL (everyone) at John 10:29 A.
     
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    Matthew 23:8
    "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.
     
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    Thank you. I notice the KJV uses the word Master there instead of Teacher.
    In harmony with 'Teacher' at Matthew, John 13:13-14 also mentions Jesus as Teacher.
    So, it seems we are to use Jesus' teachings to teach.
    For example: Matthew 28:18-20 Jesus gave instructions to be teaching.......
    So, those who are Not ' brothers ' (spiritual brothers) need to be taught by someone who is teaching.
    For another example: the Ethiopian official who was taught Jesus' teachings by Philip at Acts of the Apostles 8:30-31
     
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    they aren't jesus' teachings. they are god the Father's


    Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.


    so then if the Father was in Jesus, where do you suppose everyone else's father is?


    John 14:20
    At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

    God is omnipresent in everything and everyone
     
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    I don't think so

    I watch the news now and then
     
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    potentially, or actively.

    allow me to explain further


    Gospel of Thomas saying:

    70. (active)Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. (potential)If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."


    Romans 8:11
    But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
     
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    this quote is sufficient

    and leads to....
    unto those who have....more shall be given
    and from those who have not......
    what little they do have shall be given unto those who have
     
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