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Featured Christ Has returned, what should have we looked for?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by TransmutingSoul, Feb 26, 2018.

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  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Maybe

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  4. I'm Fence sitting

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  5. Just a popcorn question

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  6. Definitly never

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  7. He has Come

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  1. TransmutingSoul

    TransmutingSoul Veteran Member
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    This was fulfilled. The Message of the Bab and Baha'u'llah had reached the West not long after the Birth of these Faiths.

    Regards Tony
     
  2. TransmutingSoul

    TransmutingSoul Veteran Member
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    There is no Higher head than God, thus that was an unintended compliment, but a compliment none the less.

    Regards Tony
     
  3. TransmutingSoul

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    "This is not a Cause which may be made a plaything for your idle fancies, nor is it a field for the foolish and faint of heart. By God, this is the arena of insight and detachment, of vision and upliftment, where none may spur on their chargers save the valiant horsemen of the Merciful, who have severed all attachment to the world of being. These, truly, are they that render God victorious on earth, and are the dawning-places of His sovereign might amidst mankind." Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Pages 77-88

    I have determined where your advice has come from and it was not God. I will leave you with your thoughts and always wish you well.

    Stay happy, Regards Tony
     
  4. Fool

    Fool ALL in all
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    sorry but the temple is the human body of everyone.


    first you had noah's ark, then you had the arc of the covenant, then you have david's/solomon's temple, finally you have the temple that god built all along and instilled her spirit into. that is a human body, or the temple of love.


    unio mystica


    thus the new song that the one's with the seal of god in their foreheads is ......................

    song of solomon

    the spirit and the bride are merged into ONE. the union of spirit in matter.

    the great and terrible day of the lord is like an earthquake. it shakes one to their core.

    Isaiah 64:1
    Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down, that the mountains would tremble before you!

    Isaiah 64:3
    For when you did awesome things that we did not expect, you came down, and the mountains trembled before you.

    Isaiah 66:2
    Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word.

    Isaiah 66:5
    Hear the word of the Lord, you who tremble at his word: “Your own people who hate you, and exclude you because of my name, have said, ‘Let the Lord be glorified, that we may see your joy!’ Yet they will be put to shame.


     
  5. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    I was a supporter,and believer of Jesus(pbuh) return,so I change my mind.

    I think there is no need to his return,on contrary the idea of his return is making the world worst,especially in middle east.

    So My religion don't wait an update,event will come for us in this life "I meant future" :)

    I wish you always well too bro :)
     
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  6. TransmutingSoul

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    It is not me any applogy should be directed to.

    Regards Tony
     
  7. loverofhumanity

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    I think the signs are abundantly clear for those who want to be fair minded.

    Just look at the technical advances made since Baha’u’llah appeared. Humanity has entered a new age. We most definitely have a ‘new earth’ as mentioned in Revelation and ‘all things have indeed been made new’ with regard to the birth of the modern age.

    And the new Jerusalem, the new heaven denotes a new Revelation from God which is none other than the Baha’i Faith. It would be a practical impossibility for the Bahá’í Faith to fulfill its purpose of the unity of mankind if the scientific discoveries did not happen. Yet Baha’u’llah spoke about the unity of humanity before all these discoveries and inventions,

    So we maintain that for this Faith to bring about world unity, science and technology had to simultaneously be creating a physical global village which would unite the world through travel and communications.

    That science just happened to come along and create a global village just after Baha’u’llah called for world unity when science had not advanced so much in the past 100 centuries is not mere coincidence.

    That all the scientific mechanisms were being erected simultaneously just at the time Baha’u’llah appeared attests to the truth of this Revelation for if these sciences did not eventuate then the call for world unity would have been be futile. But this is not so.
     
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  8. TransmutingSoul

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    Yes Baha'u'llah is that Great tree the Branches are all Gods Messengers.

    The 2520 Prophecy is noted below, I also like it that it hints of Twin Messagers in the last day, as it is 2 x 1260 timelines that are mentioned in both Daniel and Revelation.


    Regards Tony
     
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    But they didn't. Hardly any prophets were murdered, let alone as sacrifices.

    I disagree with you sometimes. I agree with you sometimes. I don't have to believe anyone is a messenger of divine origin to note valid points. :)

    Source?

    More people on planet = more people who can get sick

    It's the relative percentages that are more important.

    Yeah, but my internet still works, so it's all good. :p
     
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  10. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    READING! READING AWAY!
    Your post must surely make it fair for me to show the following writings by the Bab, and more to follow from time to time.

    1. "O my followers! Surely Allah has made fighting obligatory for you. You must conquer the cities and the people for Babism and don’t be at peace with those who reject Babism". (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1)

    2. "Allah has made obligatory on every Babi king that he should not let a single person remain alive in his kingdom who does not accept Babism. (Bayan, Arabic Chapter1 ) 3. "Loot and plunder the properties of those who do not accept Babism. (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1) 4. "Erase all the books from the face of the earth except those written about Babism" (Bayan, Arabic Chapter 1) 5. "O enemies of Bab!! Even if you bathe 1000 times, you will never become clean", (Bayan, Persian Chapter 2 ) 6. "If a Babi acquires a thing from a non-Babi, then by the transfer of the thing, it becomes lawful for him". (Bayan, Chapter 4)
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    We don't know this for sure; we know some prophets got murdered, and we can see Yeshua challenged the Sanhedrin for murdering the prophets as atoning sacrifices in Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13, and the Parable of the Wicked Husbandman (Matthew 21:33-46, Mark 12:1-12, and Luke 20:9-19).

    The Oral Tradition, 'The death of the righteous can atone for the sins of that generation' has been applied in terms of Christianity, so the prophets hint that it has been done before as well.
    So yeah wasn't meaning want people to believe in me; yet the evidence that is being presented...

    Plus why have the evidence, if we just want to remove everyone with fire, why not use the evidence to show the case first.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  12. TransmutingSoul

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    There is also no official translation of the Bayan, so please yourself oldbadger. This is the official statement to what you mention;

    Shoghi Effendi's secretary wrote on his behalf:

    "...The severe laws and injunctions revealed by the Báb can be properly appreciated and understood only when interpreted in the light of His own statements regarding the nature, purpose and character of His own Dispensation. As these statements clearly reveal, the Bábí Dispensation was essentially in the nature of a religious and indeed social revolution, and its duration had therefore to be short, but full of tragic events, of sweeping and drastic reforms. These drastic measures enforced by the Báb and His followers were taken with the view of undermining the very foundations of Shí'ah orthodoxy, and thus paving the way for the coming of Bahá'u'lláh. To assert the independence of the new Dispensation, and to prepare also the ground for the approaching Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh the Báb had therefore to reveal very severe laws, even though most of them, were never enforced. But the mere fact that He revealed them was in itself a proof of the independent character of His Dispensation and was sufficient to create such widespread agitation, and excite such opposition on the part of the clergy that led them to cause His eventual martyrdom. (from a letter dated February 17, 1939 written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi, quoted on p 214 of the Most Holy Book)

    The Laws in the Bayan were never initiated, as they were subject to the approval of the One Whom God would make Manifest, which was Baha'u'llah. They served their purpose. The old age was terminated with the Bayan and a new Age prepared, it had to be this way as prophecy shows us;

    Zephaniah 1:14 “That terrible day of the LORD is near. Swiftly it comes— a day of bitter tears, a day when even strong men will cry out.15 It will be a day when the LORD ’s anger is poured out— a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness,16 a day of trumpet calls and battle cries. Down go the walled cities and the strongest battlements!17 “Because you have sinned against the LORD, I will make you grope around like the blind. Your blood will be poured into the dust, and your bodies will lie rotting on the ground.”18 Your silver and gold will not save you on that day of the LORD ’s anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth.

    More about the day of the Lord - BibleGateway.com -

    It was Baha'u'llah that set the Law and Standards for the Day of God, those laws that now beat the swords into plowshares.

    This is An Analytical Survey by Muhammad Afnan on the Báb's Bayan. The Báb's Bayan

    Stay happy Regards Tony
     
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    They want the same exact flower and that is the reason they will never recognize Baha'u'llah.

    It is as simple as that. The Christians have even convinced nonbelievers that it has to be the same Jesus. :rolleyes:

    Hardly anyone will know until they die, and I am not even sure they will know then. There are no guarantees after you die. :(
     
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    This is a good thing, it allows us never rest but always strive to do better. Each day build on our virtues and strive to serve all humanity more and more, each in our given capacity.

    In the end that is all we can do.

    Regards Tony
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Baha'u'llah wasn't like Yeshua... Please give reasons that Baha'i think they're similar, and will show with evidence, why this isn't being logical.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I understand, but I would want proof of that, how it is that billions of people have been taken in for centuries by false writings, how such is God's will, and how it is that I find that the apostles' doctrine is solely Tanakh based and found in Jesus Christ.
     
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    Rejection means doomed to destruction immediately [based on 2nd Thessalonians 2], i.e., after all Christians “be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air”. -1Thessalonians 4:17, but since we are still here [not doomed, but still alive], then Christ's 2nd has not occurred yet, right? So your OP is suggesting that Christ’s 2nd coming “has happened and was Fulfilled in the Messages of the Bab ("Gate") and Baha'u'llah ("Glory of God", or "Glory of the Lord")” is false.
    You can’t mix Bible verses with your philosophy because it will only create confusion because of contradictions.
     
  18. loverofhumanity

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    How do Christians expect to recognise Christ as no one knows what He looks like? That’s why Christ said to ‘watch and pray’ because His coming would not be obvious unless one is spiritually minded. However, since they await the literal fulfillment then He will never ever come for those Christians because Christ was speaking symbolically not literally.
     
  19. loverofhumanity

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    What is being destroyed in reality are the time held views and superstitions not the physical earth.

    Superstitions are gradually being put to rest by science and reason. Views which are not in accordance with the removal of all forms of prejudice are being challenged and dumped.

    Things like racism which have thrived for centuries all of a sudden are becoming outlawed. The status of women is being questioned and lomgmstanding beliefs being discarded and rejected in favour of full equality.

    It’s the death of an old age and the birth of a new one moving towards the equality of all people which is the direction we are heading in not world destruction.

    As we progress along these lines humanity will enter a golden age, a world civilisation based on human rights and justice and virtues.
     
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  20. Neb

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    Please read these verses from the Bible.

    "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;" -1Thessalonians 4:16
    "then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." -1Thessalonians 4:17


    It's very clear that on Christ 2nd coming, Christians will be “be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” -1Thessalonians 4:17

    It did not specifically say that it was Baha’u’llah who would come for the 2nd time.
     
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