Choronzon's thread

[robtex]

I saw his name for the first time in an out of print book in my library called "The Tourist Guide to Transylvania (author listed as count ignatius de ludes and states created by steward crowley isbn 0-861-178-076-0) on page 41 as an illustration which shows a blue horned demon eating the hand of a sorcerer who summoned him and than lost control of him. The book doesn't talk about him at all (book is listed as fiction incidenltly) so I googled his name and am going to put the links at the bottom.

Occording to wikipedia he is a devil or demon in the occult world and was first written about by Edward Kelly and later by Aleister Crowley .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choronzon

This site qoutes A Crowley's text "The Vision and the Voice"
http://www.esoterica777.com/coronzom.htm

".... the Devil of the Aethyr, that mighty devil Choronzon, crieth aloud, Zazas, Zazas, Nasatanada Zasas. I am the Master of Form, and from me all forms proceed. I am I. I have shut myself up from the spendthrifts, my gold is safe in my treasure-chamber, and I have made every living thing my concubine, and none shall touch them, save only I. And yet I am scorched, even while I shiver in the wind. He hateth me and tormenteth me. He would have stolen me from myself, but I shut myself up and mock at him, even while he plagueth me. From me come leprosy and pox and plague and cancer and cholera and the falling sickness. Ah! I will reach up to the knees of the Most High, and tear his phallus with my teeth, and I will bray his testicles in a mortar, and make poison thereof, to slay the sons of men."


which might be taken from this source,
http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/418/aetyr10.htm
also qouting Coronzon as saying "ZAzaz Zazas Nasatanada Zasas".

This site:
http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Choronzon

links him to John Dee and Enochian as a parallel to the sepernt in the garden of Eden whereas according to the same source Crowley describes him as dweller of the abyss.
http://www.answers.com/topic/choronzon
this site qoutes Crowley's writings about this:

Both Choronzon and the Abyss are discussed in Crowley's Confessions (ch. 66): "The name of the Dweller in the Abyss is Choronzon, but he is not really an individual. The Abyss is empty of being; it is filled with all possible forms, each equally inane, each therefore evil in the only true sense of the word—that is, meaningless but malignant, in so far as it craves to become real. These forms swirl senselessly into haphazard heaps like dust devils, and each such chance aggregation asserts itself to be an individual and shrieks, "I am I!" though aware all the time that its elements have no true bond; so that the slightest disturbance dissipates the delusion just as a horseman, meeting a dust devil, brings it in showers of sand to the earth."[2]Have yall ever read anything about him in books and if so what yall find?


footnotes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choronzon#Choronzon_in_popular_culture
http://www.esoterica777.com/

 

[BFD_Zayl]

Ah! I will reach up to the knees of the Most High, and tear his phallus with my teeth, and I will bray his testicles in a mortar, and make poison thereof, to slay the sons of men."

does that give anyone else the shakes?

 

[Mike182]

does that give anyone else the shakes?

not really... mix the ultimate evil entity with Crowley, and i'd expect something along those lines.

 

[robtex]

does that give anyone else the shakes?

only if i beileved there really was a boogieman (satan, choronzon, insert arch-type of evil here)

I think the whole topic is interesting though. I haven't read through all the links I posted and will post on this thread later after I do, but I wanted to ante up what I found so yall could read up on it while I do.

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

I saw his name for the first time in an out of print book in my library called "The Tourist Guide to Transylvania (author listed as count ignatius de ludes and states created by steward crowley isbn 0-861-178-076-0) on page 41 as an illustration which shows a blue horned demon eating the hand of a sorcerer who summoned him and than lost control of him. The book doesn't talk about him at all (book is listed as fiction incidenltly) so I googled his name and am going to put the links at the bottom.

Occording to wikipedia he is a devil or demon in the occult world and was first written about by Edward Kelly and later by Aleister Crowley .
Choronzon - Wikipedia

This site qoutes A Crowley's text "The Vision and the Voice"
http://www.esoterica777.com/coronzom.htm

".... the Devil of the Aethyr, that mighty devil Choronzon, crieth aloud, Zazas, Zazas, Nasatanada Zasas. I am the Master of Form, and from me all forms proceed. I am I. I have shut myself up from the spendthrifts, my gold is safe in my treasure-chamber, and I have made every living thing my concubine, and none shall touch them, save only I. And yet I am scorched, even while I shiver in the wind. He hateth me and tormenteth me. He would have stolen me from myself, but I shut myself up and mock at him, even while he plagueth me. From me come leprosy and pox and plague and cancer and cholera and the falling sickness. Ah! I will reach up to the knees of the Most High, and tear his phallus with my teeth, and I will bray his testicles in a mortar, and make poison thereof, to slay the sons of men."


which might be taken from this source,
The Tenth Aethyr
also qouting Coronzon as saying "ZAzaz Zazas Nasatanada Zasas".

This site:
Thelemapedia: The Encyclopedia of Thelema & Magick | Choronzon

links him to John Dee and Enochian as a parallel to the sepernt in the garden of Eden whereas according to the same source Crowley describes him as dweller of the abyss.
Answers - The Most Trusted Place for Answering Life's Questions
this site qoutes Crowley's writings about this:

Both Choronzon and the Abyss are discussed in Crowley's Confessions (ch. 66): "The name of the Dweller in the Abyss is Choronzon, but he is not really an individual. The Abyss is empty of being; it is filled with all possible forms, each equally inane, each therefore evil in the only true sense of the word—that is, meaningless but malignant, in so far as it craves to become real. These forms swirl senselessly into haphazard heaps like dust devils, and each such chance aggregation asserts itself to be an individual and shrieks, "I am I!" though aware all the time that its elements have no true bond; so that the slightest disturbance dissipates the delusion just as a horseman, meeting a dust devil, brings it in showers of sand to the earth."[2]Have yall ever read anything about him in books and if so what yall find?


footnotes:
Thelema - Wikipedia
Choronzon - Wikipedia
http://www.esoterica777.com/

Yes, ancient post and OP probably won't see it.

Still.

Anyway, it does sadden me a little, given how significant Choronzon is to Thelema (as I'm a former Thelemite, but still aficionado) to see that Choronzon's appearance in the encounters and writings of Dee and Kelly is actually incredibly scant.
I do see that Crowley and Neuburg in relation to Dee and Kelly, did bring the "Enochian" system out of the mud and breathed new light into it (far more than the Golden Dawn did), and its great to see (plus things many many many other people after Crowley's time have also done with the "Enochian" system). That said, Chronzon, kind of seemingly an evolved idea like Baphomet, not the same but still seemingly a thing that has changed identity over time but resumed a certain kind of role.
For Chronzon though, unlike Baphomet, it was indeed an entity Dee and Kelly are recorded to have encountered in their writings, but scantly.
It's evolved role in the Thelemic system is of course very excellent still.

 

[BrotherAlameen]

only if i beileved there really was a boogieman (satan, choronzon, insert arch-type of evil here)

I think the whole topic is interesting though. I haven't read through all the links I posted and will post on this thread later after I do, but I wanted to ante up what I found so yall could read up on it while I do.

Choronzon is a really interesting figure. In most cases, as far as I’m aware, the “Zazas Zazas Nasatanada Zazas” is a specific incantation used to open forth the Gates of Hell. Several occultists including Michael W. Ford and other Left Hand Path Magicians have used this mantra over the ages in their books as well as Asenath Mason as well in some of her books. I’ve used the same mantra in my book as well while teaching rituals several times and have referenced countless of times how to use it to enhance magic, for those who are willing to purchase my book.