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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by TransmutingSoul, Nov 3, 2021.

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  1. Yes it is!

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  2. No it is not!

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  3. Yes and No, I can explain.

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  4. I am Undecided

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  5. I offer Quotes from a Faith to demonstrate.

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  6. I offer my thoughts of faith in response.

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  1. TransmutingSoul

    TransmutingSoul Veteran Member
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    That is again a toxic reply, why do you choose to approach the subject in that manner?

    Faith is a valid choice we face in life and I fully understand why many now choose to have no faith, that is also a valid choice.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Do you have choice at the age of 12?
    I'd say no, you are too young.
     
  3. Sheldon

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    This a is a public debate forum, if all you want is an echo chamber to proselytise in, then maybe start a blog, or use one the forums meant for that?
    Indeed, and of course it is influenced by what criteria or standard we decide to set for belief. If this is a different standard for one or some beliefs than others then one is choosing to adopt a bias. Though of course submitting deeply held beliefs one has an emotional investment in to critical scrutiny is not an easy choice to make.
     
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  4. Sheldon

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    You will have to be specific sorry, I was responding to a post that claimed my lack of faith could only lead to despair, I'd say that was toxic, as well being errant nonsense of course.

    I disagree, since it seems there is literally nothing one could not believe using faith alone.
     
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  5. Sheldon

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    If only religions left it until children were 12, sadly that is not the case.
     
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  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    In most cases your faith is imposed on you at a very early age by your parents, family, friends even the country you live in.

    The choice comes later when your you fan choise to change your faith, leave it behind or in most cases keep the status quo
     
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    There would be no faith without doubt, so it follows that we can choose to put doubt aside and have faith in something. For some of us, a life without faith, or transcendent belief, would be hollow and meaningless, a life half lived. So yes, many of us choose faith in a power greater than ourselves, over the notion that life has no purpose beyond the satisfaction of material desires which only leave us empty any way.
     
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  8. Trailblazer

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    This a is a public debate forum, if all you want is an echo chamber to proselytise for atheism, then maybe start a blog, or use one the forums meant for that?
     
  9. Trailblazer

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    It is not the case with most religions but it is the case with the Baha'i Faith, as one cannot choose to join the religion until the age of reason, which is considered to be age 15.
     
  10. idea

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    Losing faith, seeing reality, was not a choice for me.

    Once you know Santa is not real, you cannot go back.
     
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    By whom? Seems a very limiting position on human capability. I understand that at this moment, we may not have all the answers you want but that doesn't mean we will never find them.

    I suppose my faith, if you want to call it that, lies in seeing where we are and where we've come from. Pretty amazing, if you take the time to consider it. Faith in the future of humanity, since I don't have knowledge of the future.

    The quandary to me is, what's God got to do with it?

    People want to place their faith in God. Ok, just don't see much need for it. You want balance but it is man who has to make all of the choices, do all of the work. God can sit this one out and I think we will still do fine. I suspect you and and can come to an agreement on what is good and beneficial to us, to the world at large.

    IOW, I don't see your faith in a God or my lack of one as any kind of impediment. Do feel a faith in God is necessary for this? If so, I suspect this maybe the greater impediment.
     
  12. idea

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    Amen. Life has become much better for me now that I have become self-reliant rather than God-reliant. I found God does not answer prayers, that God does not reward those who attend church, that God does not protect loved ones, God does not do anything, and those who "will pray for you" are no help at all for anything.

    Better to buck up, not count on any heavenly assistance, and put effort where it will actually do something. Now that I have left religious groups I am debt free, kids are doing well (safe, no longer being molested), I have more time to do what needs to be done, have advanced in my career and so have less stress.

    Empowered = being self-reliant, and not leaning on heavenly arms that are of no support whatsoever.

    Faith in yourself is much better than faith in God.

    I now see those who have faith in God as those who are insecure about their own ability to handle things. I agree, there are things we do not handle well - but for me "God" does not help in those situations, and I am better off with the belief that if anything is going to change, it is all up to me ← motivation.
     
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  13. TransmutingSoul

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    I do not think I need to quote sources, but to quote part of what you offered re my faith and I can say;

    My Faith lies in seeing where we are and where we've come from. Pretty amazing, if you take the time to consider it. Faith in the future of humanity, since we also have been given knowledge of the future.

    Regards Tony
     
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    I assume you are referring to God?
    How did you find out that God is not real?.... just curious.
     
  15. Vinayaka

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    'Most likely' being the operative phrase. Lots of exceptions.
     
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    Not that I’m aware of. Most Hindu kids usually just adopt the practices of their parents. Maybe some will go into another path. Like if their parents are Vaishnavs they might go Shakti. Basically adopt their own sect of choice. But there’s not like a religious rite of initiation.
    That I know of, anyway
     
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    There is the namakarana samskara which is name-giving. There are also many dikshas, like initiation into a particular sampradaya, or a mantra. But you're right, this may not be part of village Hinduism. I think the namakarana is though, for most.

    As to the OP's thought, I voted yes and no because it respects the views of both sides, that for some it wasn't a choice, and for others it was. Attempts to project your personal ideas onto humanity generally fail miserably. It's folly to believe all men think alike.
     
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  18. Sheldon

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    Well if the god claim is being premised as an unfalsifiable concept, then I can't by definition falsify the idea. However like Santa Claus I'd need a valid reason to believe a deity existed, and since no one can offer a shred of objective evidence for that claim, I disbelieve it, same as I disbelieve Santa Claus is real.
     
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    Based on how you use the word faith here.

    I would say no. The reason being that we don't choose what to believe in and not, something either convince us or it doesn't. If it does we will believe and have faith in it.

    You can't simply choose to not believe something because you feel like it, you can spend time and effort examining something you might believe in and it could convince you that something else is true. In that sense we all live in our own little bubble of convictions about what we believe to be true. It is only by putting our beliefs to the test what we can "change" them, but we still don't really choose them, because such test might not lead to what we thought it would. But in my opinion that is closes one can get to controlling ones beliefs.
     
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  20. Sheldon

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    Have you spent much time talking to creationists? ;)
     
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