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China's Suppression of Falun Gong

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by opuntia, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. opuntia

    opuntia Religion is Law

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  2. Tristesse

    Tristesse Well-Known Member

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    No. From what I read, that has nothing to do with atheism. A lack of belief doesn't cause you to do, or make atrocities. It's what you believe that causes you to. So, while some of them may be atheists, it's not there atheism that's making them do this, it's their belief in some other ideology. Beliefs inform your actions, not lack of beliefs.
     
  3. science_is_my_god

    science_is_my_god Philosophical Monist

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    We wouldn't be having this conversation if religion didn't exist in the first place...
    How many times do I have to tell people that we were all born atheists? :rolleyes:
     
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    Falvlun Earthbending Lemur
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    This has more to do with authoritarian dictatorship, and its aversion to anything that might threaten its control, rather than religion or the lack there of.

    Repressing freedom of religion isn't something unique to an atheistic government. I would think that you would find more religious intolerance in countries that have a national religion, and support that one religion over any other.
     
  5. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    No more or less than the Crusades or Inquisition were examples of Christianity run amok. To those who defend atheism in this instance, while condemning Chrstianity in those, you can't have your cake and eat it, too.

    It is a prime example of religious intolerance run amok.
     
  6. science_is_my_god

    science_is_my_god Philosophical Monist

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    Everyone likes to use the term "run amok." That is only an opinion. Technically, Hitler was acting on his interprataion of what was "right," and even though many of us don't like genocides, it still becomes, on a fundamental level, opinion VS. opinion. Our concept of morals and ethics are individually subjective to our own personal interprataion of our beliefs.
     
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    Willamena Just me
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    From the article:
    It does sounds to me as if their lack of understanding of the religion motivates their "crackdown" actions, but whether you could attribute that as a consequence or a cause of atheism is debatable.
     
  8. Falvlun

    Falvlun Earthbending Lemur
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    It has not been shown, either in this article or thread, that athiesm is the cause of the oppression of the Falun Gong. From the article, I got the distinct impression that it was the authoritarian style of government that was to blame. Religion happens to fall on the "undesirable" list of such a government because it has the ability to gain a large number of devoted followers, that could potentially challenge the government's absolute authority.

    I know that China, since communism took over, has been very intolerant of religious beliefs, and that athiesm might have played a larger part. It's just that I don't see athiesm playing a role in this particular case.
     
  9. Riverwolf

    Riverwolf Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
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    They're actions are no different than that of the Medieval Christian Church.

    I've heard that the Prime Minister of China say of their oppression of Tibetan Buddhism: "We're saving them from religion!"

    To me, that's just another form of: "We're trying to save them from damnation!"

    EDIT: I'd also like to stress that atheism is not the cause of this oppression. I agree that it is the government's desire to remain powerful.
     
  10. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    Just to make sure I'm absolutely clear, I don't think atheism is the cause of this oppression, I was just peeved at what I saw as a double standard.
     
  11. dogsgod

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    Those in China that practice Falun Gong are atheists.
     
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    What the Falun Gong are up against is a political controlling power that views Falun Gong as a threat and is willing to do whatever it takes to maintain control. Atheism doesn't enter into this.


    In April 1999 over ten thousand Falun Gong practitioners gathered at Communist Party of China headquarters, Zhongnanhai, in a silent protest against beatings and arrests in Tianjin.[8][9][10] Two months later the People's Republic of China government, led by Jiang Zemin, banned the practice, began a crackdown, and started what Amnesty International described as a "massive propaganda campaign."
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  13. zenzero

    zenzero Its only a Label

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    Friend opuntia,

    Perception of the govt. is different.
    The root of all human problems lies with that MIND that perceives and meditation is the way to still that mind.
    Love & rgds
     
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    Are you suggesting that the Falun Gong have run amok? I ask because they are the atheists, the oppressors are the ruling Communist Party that view the Falun Gong as a threat to their authority.
     
  15. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    Where are you folks getting the info that the Falun Gong are atheists? I've only skimmed the Wiki, but it made no mention of atheism. :confused:
     
  16. Falvlun

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    Hm. It would depend whether we are comparing apples with apples or not.

    The Crusades and Inquisition, though they did have political reasons, seemed to be primarly motivated by a religion's need for power.

    This Falun Gong example shows a government's need for power, that just happens to be atheist as well. The atheism plays a lot smaller role than Christianity did in the Crusades/Inquisition.

    I don't think the comparison is strong enough.
     
  17. Storm

    Storm ThrUU the Looking Glass

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    I don't see why you blame the one on the religion, and the other on the government. In medieval Europe, the line between the two was rather blurry.
     
  18. dogsgod

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    A theist believes god/s exist. The Falun Gong do not share a common belief in nor worship a god. By definition they are atheists.

    I did a word search on the Falun Gong wiki page. The words "God" and "worship" are not found.
     
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    Precicely because the line was blurry in medieval Europe.

    Essentially, religion was the government. Christianity held enormous power, both secularly and spiritually. Policy was made by the Church, and officials only had power because the Church chose to give them power.

    As far as I can tell, the government of China is only atheist because religion poses a threat to the government's absolute authority. Its reason for persecuting the religious is not to defend atheism, or even through policies mandated by atheism. It's a policy based upon a governmental principle, not a religious (or lack of religious) belief.
     
  20. Riverwolf

    Riverwolf Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
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    Blurry?

    Try non-existent.

    It's all about governmental power; the religious reasons for the inquisition and crusades were second-hand.
     
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