Children as Transgender

[Nicholas]

A doctor summarizes reasons not to encourage a child's gender confusion.

http://files.constantcontact.com/6c7b7138001/4a6ed1d2-1238-4765-9a8a-675229033a0d.pdf

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Great article and it begs the question on whether where we drawn the line between when a child to adolescent having a right to their gender/or the parents rights to decide.

 

[Nicholas]

Great article and it begs the question on whether where we drawn the line between when a child to adolescent having a right to their gender/or the parents rights to decide.

It is not a battle of 'rights' between child & parents, but simple biology that is determinative.

 

[idav]

A doctor summarizes reasons not to encourage a child's gender confusion.

http://files.constantcontact.com/6c7b7138001/4a6ed1d2-1238-4765-9a8a-675229033a0d.pdf

We live in a society that goes strongly by gender identity which is the biggest issue. Men and women both should be allowed to live how they want but at the same time shouldn’t be conforming to society standards. For example when a boy wants to be transgender and wants to play with dolls and wear dresses I feel suspicious that sort of “non-conforming” is actually a conforming to society standards of what being a girl is. However society tends to punish girly boys and manly girls which we need to get away from, really there should be no such thing as girly boys and manly girls people are just people of all sorts of hormone combinations. People are humans first and gender identity need not be an issue. Unless there is medical necessity I sont see why children should be allowed to mess with their system. They can do what they want when they are an adult.

 

[David T]

In nemo 3 nemo becomes a female clown fish and saves the reef.

 

[Cacotopia]

Let em suss it out when they hit puberty and support em, but before that? WHY>

 

[Cacotopia]

Don't bring PC into a child's life. This is eye roll behavior, do they even raise them anyways? Or does the nanny.

Or is the phone watching the kid so the parents can watch the kid later, in case they forgot who they were.

 

[sun rise]

It's worth noting that there are transgender aspects to animal behavior https://daily.jstor.org/transgender-proclivities-in-animals/

A lucid view on various studies designed to determine what differences, if any, are in the brains of transgender people can be found here https://www.the-scientist.com/featu...ifferent-from-those-of-cisgender-people-30027

 

[Nicholas]

Let em suss it out when they hit puberty and support em, but before that? WHY>

Not at puberty either, too much emotion at that time - wait until their brain is fully developed in early twenties.

Probably no point in mentioning, but this thread is intended exclusively to discuss children being or wanting to be transgendered. Adults can have the ultimate in cosmetic surgery if they like.

 

[Cacotopia]

Well my bro said he knew he was gay when he was in 6th grade that ish the beginning of puberty. right? I guess it's different for everyone, let them figure it out is the bottom line and support your kids.

 

[Mox]

In March 2016 the American Journal of Paediatrics released findings of a scientific study that suggest when parents family members and peers support their trans child's gender presentation, such as changing their names or wearing clothing and styling hair as, usually worn by the opposite sex, the mental health (with regard to anxiety and depression) outcomes are much better, than they are for trans adults statistically. Whom have suffered psychologically through historic lack of support and in many cases, because of internal conflict, rejection from peer groups and families as well as experiencing outright discrimination.

In other words...if little Timmy wants to wear a dress and call himself Tina. Let him or rather her. If that is, you love your child enough to lower the risk of depression and anxiety, haunting his/her adult life.

Makes total sense.

Maybe society wont be very forgiving or will laugh and point, well, they are pathetic. They need to grow up. The parents and the family, have the greatest influence, their support counts more than any.

Source
Kristina Olson, Ph.D., assistant professor, psychology, University of Washington, Seattle; Ilana Sherer, M.D., pediatrician, Palo Alto Medical Foundation, Dublin, Calif.; March 2016, Pediatrics

 

[Epic Beard Man]

It is not a battle of 'rights' between child & parents, but simple biology that is determinative.

But I'm more interested in neurology and yes whenever it comes to a child it does have to do with rights. For example children depending on the state have no rights up to a certain age (see case of the kid who divorced from his parents).

 

[Nicholas]

New study on high suicide rate among trans kids:

The Alarming Findings of a New Study on Transgender Teens and Suicide

 

[Marcion]

It is not a battle of 'rights' between child & parents, but simple biology that is determinative.

Which means taking a detailed look at the brain of the unborn or newborn child and looking closely at a very small part of the brain to establish which gender that child is going to identify with irrespective of its outward gender or socialising.

You can then decide to raise the child with the gender it identifies with. And if the child so desires you will offer it hormones to stop it changing into the gender that it doesn't identify with.

You should not postpone this by socialising the child into the "wrong" gender and you should certainly not postpone it until after puberty has set in and the child will develop a type of body that it will abhor getting.

 

[Twilight Hue]

We live in a society that goes strongly by gender identity which is the biggest issue. Men and women both should be allowed to live how they want but at the same time shouldn’t be conforming to society standards. For example when a boy wants to be transgender and wants to play with dolls and wear dresses I feel suspicious that sort of “non-conforming” is actually a conforming to society standards of what being a girl is. However society tends to punish girly boys and manly girls which we need to get away from, really there should be no such thing as girly boys and manly girls people are just people of all sorts of hormone combinations. People are humans first and gender identity need not be an issue. Unless there is medical necessity I sont see why children should be allowed to mess with their system. They can do what they want when they are an adult.

I agree things like this can certainly wait until adulthood.

It's not a parents call to make, and it's not the child's call to make either, until they become mature enough to make an informed and correct decision for themselves.

 

[Erebus]

I hadn't heard of the author, Joseph Zanga, so I did a little googling. It seems he and his colleagues have faced criticism for attempting to twist scientific studies in order to suit their conservative Christian beliefs. That includes staunchly anti-gay and anti-transgender viewpoints as well as an anti-abortion stance. In short, their medical views are heavily impacted by their particular brand of conservative Christianity.

Now there is a discussion to be had about what age it's appropriate to transition. Honestly, it's not a subject I know enough about to give a firm answer. What I do know is that this issue is politicised enough that you have to be extremely careful about where your information is coming from.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

New study on high suicide rate among trans kids:

The Alarming Findings of a New Study on Transgender Teens and Suicide

Right. So give them the appropriate treatment; i.e. identify as they wish.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I hadn't heard of the author, Joseph Zanga, so I did a little googling. It seems he and his colleagues have faced criticism for attempting to twist scientific studies in order to suit their conservative Christian beliefs.

Well I, for one, am shocked, shocked I tell you.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A doctor summarizes reasons not to encourage a child's gender confusion.

http://files.constantcontact.com/6c7b7138001/4a6ed1d2-1238-4765-9a8a-675229033a0d.pdf

I’d be interested to see:

- the date on that
- where it was published
- the response letter/rebuttals from medical professionals in later issues

 

[Nicholas]

The appropriateness of so-called 'transition' misses the point. It is impossible to change one's sex.

One can with enough money, time, drugs & surgery change the appearance of one's body. Yet the XX or XY chromosomes do not change.

Fixation on the body instead of the soul or spirit is just making humans more materialistic.