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Charlottesville Confederate statue removal blocked by judge

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by We Never Know, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. We Never Know

    We Never Know Well-Known Member

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    I agree with his decision. We can't erase history, we can only learn from it.

    However if people want to try to erase history by removing anything that has to do with slavery, IMO we should start with the president's that owned slaves that we honor with statues, birthday holidays, put them on money, etc. And if we are going to do it, do it all the way. Let's do away with everything else that is a reminder of slavery which would include many afro-american things as well.

    Again we can't erase history, we can only learn from it.

    Circuit Court Judge Richard Moore ruled that any attempts to remove the Robert E. Lee statue violate a state law protecting war memorials, the Daily Progress reported. The decision last week ends a lawsuit filed in March 2017 opposing the Charlottesville City Council vote to remove statue on the grounds that it sends a racist message.

    Charlottesville Confederate statue removal blocked by judge
     
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  2. Father Heathen

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    Claiming that people are trying to "erase history" is an embarrassingly stupid straw man. It's not necessary to commemorate or celebrate something in order to remember it's historical significance. After all, while its important to remember what happened during the U.S. invasions of Iraq/Afghanistan, do we need statues of Mujahideen triumphantly holding high the heads of decapitated U.S. troops in front of courthouses and such?
     
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  3. Audie

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    I favour melting down all coins with G Washington's face.

    Washington DC can just be DC

    Or rather, just D, as C is for Columbus, that rat.

    Washington State can join BC, or wait, batter make that
    just ""British".

    Or rejoin Oregon.

    That will take care of everything.
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Is this one of those Confederate statues built in the 20th century?
    To make sure that the ners knew their place and didn't get uppity?
    Tom
     
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    You call it a "stupid straw man". But another view is that it's cowardly
    & stupid to erase history just because SJWs are triggered by the
    message they infer. Monuments erected to people for doing bad
    things...that's a useful thing to be reminded of.
    Perhaps we do need that.
    People don't learn from war.
    Reminding would be good.
     
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    I always find it funny when a right-winger tries to go for what they think is an absurd outcome but they end up accidentally suggesting a good idea.
     
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  7. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Although most of these liberal protesters see the statues as a memorial to slavery, they are wrong. We see these statues as a testament to standing up for a belief, not as a call to arms. We here in the South realize that the institution of slavery was and is abhorrent; it can never be tolerated anywhere again. However, these statues do not mean we long for the old ways, they remind us that even though our courage can not be questioned, our judgement must always be.
     
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    Standing up for a belief in slavery.

    Try reading the declarations of war from the southern states; the Civil War was about slavery.

    Is that why the KKK and Neo-Nazis came out to protest the statue's removal?
     
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    Commissioned 1917, dedicated 1924, according to a quick Googling.
     
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    So then there's always Plan B: keep the monument, but add to it.

    Add a great, big plaque reading "TRAITOR AND SLAVER - LET HIS DEFEAT BE A LESSON TO ALL" next to the statue.

    There's no state law against that.
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Bless your heart....
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Add "Christian" to slaver and I'll kick in ten bucks towards the improvements.
    Tom
     
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  14. MikeDwight

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    Why preserve history, when we can find things to steal, from the descendants of slaves today, while, claiming they deserved it?
     
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    The vast majority of confederate statues were built several decades after the war.
    They were put up during the Jim Crow era. They are overtly racist symbols.
    Their intended function was never historical recognition. It was intimidating black people.
     
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  16. Good-Ole-Rebel

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    Slavery was of course an issue. But not like the PC North was making it to be. And certainly not like the PC North during and after the war made it to be.

    The North was concerned over slavery because it fueled the Southern economy, which was doing well. Not because they wanted all the blacks free. Only a few fringe idiots called abolitionists wanted that. The South was for slavery, not because they believed the black man needed to be enslaved, but because that was a major part of their economy. And slavery was a legitimate institution in that day. Protected by the Constitution.

    KKK and Neo-Nazis in Charlotte came to protest the removement because blacks and minorities use this as a legal way to come against white people, especially Southern white people. The North has made blacks the enemy of the South. Blacks have bought into it and truly are now enemies of the Southern white people. But it is because they, the blacks, believe the smoke that has been blown up their backside all these years, by the North, or Federal government.

    Thus the conflict.

    Good-Oe-Rebel
     
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    [​IMG] upload_2019-9-16_18-25-3.jpeg Alabama Dixie Capitol War Memorial
    [​IMG]Nathan Bedford Forrest on someone's private property in Tennessee for making the KKK. Yarr.. See no one cares.?

    The States that chose to Unite, into a These United States of America signed the Articles of Confederation for years before the US Constitution nearer 1800, even then, in the Confederacy and Union , which every President was in a lower station to put it simply to comment on the Confederacy, and the State of the Union, look at how Andrew Jackson commented on Indian Removal, for the interests of Alabama, the interests of Mississippi.

    Then All these posters have quite a big head to comment on patriots, in US military service, in direct honorable transfer at all levels. Vice President Breckenridge and the winner of southern votes during Abraham Lincoln, found himself in a sudden military career, although it is heavily dominated by the military man.
     
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    HAHAHA
    How can you possibly not see how ridiculous this is?
     
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    Wanting to take statues down is not an attack on white people. Get over it
     
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    Damn, you're going to defend the KKK and openly concede that you're a massive racist who thinks "Blacks" are your enemy in the exact same post.
    You're an awful and terrible racist and human being.
     
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