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Featured Charlie Hebdo Muslim hypocrisy still not cured

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by stvdv, Sep 27, 2020.

  1. stvdv

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    Charlie Hebdo Muslim hypocrisy still not cured

    Why these Muslims are hypocrites: They impose their religion on others, but criticize other's culture/religion
    (Respect goes 2 ways. As long as they belittle other religions, they have no right to object if we do the same)
    (The Muslims started this, by imposing their religious rules on the West, and belittling our religion thereby)

    *Note: Christians did similar, belittling Muslims/Others. All should grow up, stop belittling, so Peace can prevail

    Pakistan PM condemns 'Islamophobic' Charlie Hebdo cartoons - France 24

     
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    Some might ask "another thread about the same"

    I answer "Yes, right. Another murder attempt and still not feeling shame about what they did in Paris"

    IF you give them 1 finger, they will take your hand. Never give in to terrorism
     
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    IF the Muslims write an article saying:

    1) We admit it was wrong to kill the 12 people in Paris over a Muhammad cartoon drawing
    2) We admit it was wrong to threaten the Netherlands over a Muhammad cartoon drawing contest
    3) etc.

    THEN They could friendly ask the West to not draw Muhammad, because it hurts their feelings
    BUT as long as they keep killing us over Muhammad cartoons for not complying to their imposed religious rules on us
    We should keep drawing Muhammad, until they finally get the message to stop proselytizing+killing
     
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    What I don't understand is why someone would want to migrate to a western country if they revile western culture?
     
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    Imran Khan has about as much credibility on this issue as a turnip. A hypocritical turnip at that.
    Still, it behooves me to mention that this sort of behaviour is not reserved for the West, nor for non-Muslims, even.
    The attitude is far more consistently applied.

    What Role Does the State Play in Pakistan’s Anti-Shia Hysteria?
     
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    An interesting study actually. I've read a few pieces on this very topic.
    If I can paraphrase to the point of ridiculousness (and you can take this with a grain of salt), second generation immigrants are kinda the sweet spot in terms of extremism.

    They don't actually know what culture they have left, and commonly have an idealistic view of the 'old country'. At the same time, they are not comfortable with the new country. Like any form of terrorism, really, it needs the ability to place an ideal above human life. And the displaced and unsettled are far more likely to idealise an old world they don't know intimately, and see it as something worth sacrificing (themselves and others) over.
    Religion, politics, culture...it all intersects to some degree.

    Bergen: A pattern in terror -- second generation, homegrown (opinion) - CNN

    I'm not holding that article up as great, just an example of a topic I've read about a few times. I don't think first generation immigrants have commonly been the source of terror issues.
     
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    I do have some ideas, but better keep them to myself:D
     
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    Other religions too have there killers in the name of god, lone or in groups. Anders Behring Breivik, LRA, NLFT and others.

    Usually the media downplays the religious aspect of Christian and Jewish terrorism while hyping islamic terror for all it can get.

    This does not make Christian terror any better than islamic terror. But to many people its a trigger to hate muslims.

    Surly better to put the blame where it lies... wish radicalized religionists/terrorists than with the entire religion

    P.s. what you didnt read about in the west is the millions of muslims that protested the Charlie Hebdo terror attack
     
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    They criticise all religions, they have had articles on the Catholic church and others.
    Why are you so sensitive, your great god should be able to handle it?
     
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    IF they only revile western culture THEN I agree, that migration would not make much sense
    IF they deeply hate our "western culture's" THEN they want to act on it, hence migration (can't change culture overnight)
     
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    :D Yes, my Great God could handle it.
    But the thing is, that the Great God let us handle these things ourselves:D
     
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    So which Muslims are we supposed to condemn, the mistreated underclass of the French suburbs, or the political elite of Pakistan?

    Both, neither? Or does it not matter at all?

    I don't think Pakistan's Prime Minister plans on migrating to Europe any time soon.
     
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    Thank you for pointing that out. And that is indeed an interesting fact. Why would the media do that?

    America (and the world) got a bit paranoid on terrorism after 9/11, banning certain countries from immigration. Maybe they believe terrorism has to do with certain countries, or religions. IF that were true THEN I understand newspapers are not allowed to write about this (we all know since Corona that media is controlled by the governments; hence we are only shown what governments allow).

    Of course it is a fact that most terrorists are religious (I assume ca. 84%).
     
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    Your question
    Why would the media do that?
    Answered in your following paragraph.
     
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    With violence rather than debate?
     
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    When I read wiki, Imran Khan seems a very nice guy, even called philanthropist, and he used to be married to a nice looking woman

    More dangerous seems this man "Khadim Hussain Rizvi" (although Pakistan let him get away with such, so condones?approves what he says)
    I am glad I live in Holland and not Delhi. At least 8000 km away, although with high tech nukes that differs probably only 30 minutes

    Although we also have a so called "Hate Imam" in The Hague (Holland). He radicalizes young vulnerable Muslim children. Belgium kicked him out, but Netherlands is too good (or too crazy IMO; but one day they will find out this does not work). I wonder if USA allows Hate-Imams to preach hate?

    What do you think:
    a) Should a Muslim be allowed to preach hate in a democracy in the West?
    b) Would a Christian be allowed to preach hate in the Middle East countries?
    c) Should Freedom of Speech be restricted (keep in mind above Hate-Imam)?
     
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    Debate I would say ... preferably not violent:D
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Caritas Christi Urget Nos
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    Breivik is actually an Odinist, so he's one my ilk have to apologize for, if we have to apologize for the actions of co-religionists.
     
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    Do you think "World's total violence" would go down IF (hypothetically speaking of course) all humans became/were Atheists
     
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    No one from any country was ever banned from immigrating to the US after 9/11.
     
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