Charley Kirk Response When Asked 'When do we get to use the guns?'

[Wandering Monk]

only the Dem Leader Facists, who would go to Charly Kirk's meeting, to pretend he is a far right terrorist.

Now. let's see your evidence that this is true.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Has this guy been identified yet? Can we see his social media posts over the last couple years?

 

[Stevicus]

Has this guy been identified yet? Can we see his social media posts over the last couple years?

Not sure, although from what I'm able to gather, this event took place in Idaho. I haven't found anything that would indicate his identity or whether he has anything on social media. I'm sure the authorities could figure out who he is and put him on some kind of watch list (if he isn't already). On the other hand, considering that this is Idaho, they probably have the whole state on a watch list.

 

[Valjean]

No Republican ever said they are against Corporate and Medical free enterprise.

Exactly! Which is why American healthcare is by far the most expensive in the world, and a major cause of bankruptcy and poor public health.
You talk like unregulated free-enterprise is a good thing.

Healthcare as a for-profit business -- free enterprise --rather than a public service is a Republican initiative. The party has fought every Democratic single-payer initiative, it fought the Social Security Act itself, it fights attempts to allow government negotiation with drug companies, resulting in drug prices many times greater than anywhere else in the world, it sabotaged unions, it promoted right-to-work legislation. The Republicans, as you say, are the party of Big Business and unregulated, 'free-market' capitalism.

It is only the Democrat leaders instigating that Capitalism is a form of Facism.
No Republican is against any free enterprise economic development, only the Dem Leader Facists, who would go to Charly Kirk's meeting, to pretend he is a far right terrorist.

I don't know where you're going with this Fascism thing. Are you connecting the Democratic party with Fascism? Don't you Republican types usually accuse the Democrats of representing the other end of the political spectrum?
How are you defining Fascism?

Poor Dems, they really think everyone so gullable to think one of them will say such a thing on a public forum.
If anyone thinks a White Supremacist is so stupid to unmask himself like that, I understand why some voters for the Dems are unable to see through the Biden regime, and communist onslaught against America.

So who's got you in such a panic, the Fascists, or the Communists, or are we being assailed from all sides?

 

[SA Huguenot]

Exactly! Which is why American healthcare is by far the most expensive in the world, and a major cause of bankruptcy and poor public health.
You talk like unregulated free-enterprise is a good thing.

Healthcare as a for-profit business -- free enterprise --rather than a public service is a Republican initiative. The party has fought every Democratic single-payer initiative, it fought the Social Security Act itself, it fights attempts to allow government negotiation with drug companies, resulting in drug prices many times greater than anywhere else in the world, it sabotaged unions, it promoted right-to-work legislation. The Republicans, as you say, are the party of Big Business and unregulated, 'free-market' capitalism.
I don't know where you're going with this Fascism thing. Are you connecting the Democratic party with Fascism? Don't you Republican types usually accuse the Democrats of representing the other end of the political spectrum?
How are you defining Fascism?
So who's got you in such a panic, the Fascists, or the Communists, or are we being assailed from all sides?

Let me give you some other viewpoint.
In South Africa, the ANC is now doing their best to get a government Medical aid for all people in the country.
This will mean that everyone will now have to pay at least 11% more on taxes.
You will still be allowed to "Top up" with your own Medical insurance, but that will be for your own cost.

The reason for this decision is that the ANC have Socialist and Communist values.
They get votes by promising people free medical aid, free housing, free electricity and water, free internet, free education.

However, this costs money and someone must pay for it.
Yet again, it will be the employed people of the country that will carry the cost.

Let me explain the detail.
Due to the bad economic socialist - communist economic policies of the ANC, they always shout "Nationalation!" on propperty rights, companies, mines, industry.
When they do this, they promise the unemployed... employment===by removing ownership from privat ownership to government ownership.

This means that no business man, international company, or investors would want to become involved in the economy in South Africa.
Why should they, there are much better investment opportunities, than SA where you sit with immense Labour laws protecting lazy employees, Communist Unions, poor productivity, crime, poor electricity supply etc.

This resulted in 40% unemployment. 30% government employed by ANC friends and families, and 30% employment in priviate companies.

This means that 40% of the country are now supported by 60% employed.
In the meantime, the government grew exponentially in size due to the government thinking "Employment growth" is creating non nessesary government positions, such as employing 200 000 "youths" with no education, mostly less than grade 11, to become "Teachers's assistants!

This means that the 30% employed in the South African government, are actually itself overgrown by 50%.
to conclude on this point, it means that 45% of South Africans are now paying taxes to support 55% of the population.
this in an environment where we do not have an international industry to speak about at all.

OK, so now I have to give my hard erned money up, pay it to the government to give to people who "dont have any medical aid!"
Not true.
The country had the best medical services to people who could not afford medical attention, but the ANC slowly corrupted it all, placed people in charge who was so incompetant, that the whole medical support structure collapsed!
The Government hospitals are now a shadow of what it was 20 years ago.
They do not upkeep the maintenance of the Government medical structure, but simply steal that money to pay grants to unemployed voters.
They think the taxes paid by the population is for their salaries, forgetting that part of the taxes they get, is designated for hospitals etc.

Well, this is unfortunately the stupidity of the socialists and communists.
They did it in Russia, and all the Eropean cuntries who tried socialism, East Germany, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Mocambique, Venezuela, and so much more countries that never realised that Personal Propperty is the best form to ensure that a country becomes self sufficient in all aspects of its economic growth.

I have yet to see any government that has the capability to produce entrepeneur ship on the scale as free trade, capitalism, and the will to succeed.
Such thinking as a Government controlled economy, is total ignorance and willfull deception.

 

[Valjean]

Let me give you some other viewpoint.
In South Africa, the ANC is now doing their best to get a government Medical aid for all people in the country.
This will mean that everyone will now have to pay at least 11% more on taxes.
You will still be allowed to "Top up" with your own Medical insurance, but that will be for your own cost.

The reason for this decision is that the ANC have Socialist and Communist values.
They get votes by promising people free medical aid, free housing, free electricity and water, free internet, free education.

However, this costs money and someone must pay for it.
Yet again, it will be the employed people of the country that will carry the cost.

But this is what "Society" is all about. Housing, utilities, infrastructure, education, healthcare.... this is why we group together in the first place, because -- if we all pull together -- we can achieve these things.
You're either social (ist), or anti-social (ist). What you seem to be proposing is anti-social.

Let me explain the detail.
Due to the bad economic socialist - communist economic policies of the ANC, they always shout "Nationalation!" on propperty rights, companies, mines, industry.
When they do this, they promise the unemployed... employment===by removing ownership from privat ownership to government ownership.

This means that no business man, international company, or investors would want to become involved in the economy in South Africa.
Why should they, there are much better investment opportunities, than SA where you sit with immense Labour laws protecting lazy employees, Communist Unions, poor productivity, crime, poor electricity supply etc.

True. If you present yourselves as a nation of submissive toadies and willing serfs, exploiters will come flocking to you, with all kinds of investment. Apparently, you prefer imperialist occupation to independence; something most nations have rejected.

When you say "government ownership," what, exactly, do you mean?
To me, "government" means us; the people, the public. "Government ownership" means co-operative or public ownership.

I think The Commons -- services used by and of benefit to everyone -- like education, law enforcement, fire protection, infrastructure, utilities and healthcare -- are best managed co-operatively. Co-operative ownership will enable these services to be obtained at cost, managed transparently, and tweaked for maximum efficiency.
Private, for-profit ownership, on the other hand, invites exploitation. It's managed not to benefit the public, but to minimise expenses and maximise profits for the owners.

This resulted in 40% unemployment. 30% government employed by ANC friends and families, and 30% employment in priviate companies.

This means that 40% of the country are now supported by 60% employed.
In the meantime, the government grew exponentially in size due to the government thinking "Employment growth" is creating non nessesary government positions, such as employing 200 000 "youths" with no education, mostly less than grade 11, to become "Teachers's assistants!

This means that the 30% employed in the South African government, are actually itself overgrown by 50%.
to conclude on this point, it means that 45% of South Africans are now paying taxes to support 55% of the population.
this in an environment where we do not have an international industry to speak about at all.

OK, so now I have to give my hard erned money up, pay it to the government to give to people who "dont have any medical aid!"
Not true.
The country had the best medical services to people who could not afford medical attention, but the ANC slowly corrupted it all, placed people in charge who was so incompetant, that the whole medical support structure collapsed!
The Government hospitals are now a shadow of what it was 20 years ago.
They do not upkeep the maintenance of the Government medical structure, but simply steal that money to pay grants to unemployed voters.

I agree your country is in a mess, but not as a result of "Socialism." I'd say corruption, mismanagement, privatization, opacity and rampant capitalism are more to blame.

Well, this is unfortunately the stupidity of the socialists and communists.
They did it in Russia, and all the Eropean cuntries who tried socialism, East Germany, Cuba, Zimbabwe, Mocambique, Venezuela, and so much more countries that never realised that Personal Propperty is the best form to ensure that a country becomes self sufficient in all aspects of its economic growth.

No! See my previous comment.

You equate "socialism and communism" with failed, authoritarian states; occupied, exploited states; embargoed states, corrupt, opaque governments, &c.

A totalitarian state like the USSR, Nazi Germany or the People's Republic can call themselves "Socialist," but they are not. Noöne's advocating this type of government.
What we "Socialists" are advocating is public, coöperative management of the commons, with free enterprise and private ownership of discretionary enterprises.

I have yet to see any government that has the capability to produce entrepeneur ship on the scale as free trade, capitalism, and the will to succeed.
Such thinking as a Government controlled economy, is total ignorance and willfull deception.

Question: what sort of government do the happiest, healthiest, most prosperous countries in the world have? Hint: it's not the objectivist capitalism you advocate. It's democratic socialism, with a socialized commons.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I agree your country is in a mess, but not as a result of "Socialism." I'd say corruption, mismanagement, privatization, opacity and rampant capitalism are more to blame.

I think you are totally unaware that the ANC and the COMMUNIST party are one and the same leadership.
Because the ANC dont advertise as Communist does not mean they are not Communist.
If you want to determine their view on Communism, look at their actions.
Nationalisation of all functions of the economy.
Fighting to remove all private propperty.
Removing ownership from companies, and transferring it to the political party's friends and cronies.
Increasing taxation on all levels, such as private income, sales tax, registrations on propperties, propperty tas, feul tax, toll roads, medical taxes, estate taxes, electricity and water levies and, and....
I am already paying about 55 to 60 % taxes if one ads everything up on my spending for just living and working.

I can see you are also confusing government services, with Socialist idiologies.

Government should never control peoples income, freedom, free market, companies, or create an environment where the government dictates income, employment etc.
It is Government's work to provide services to its people first at local government.
Roads, water, electricity, and security.
on national level it is governments work to provide safety through policing, judiciary, military, education, and hospitals and clinics, national infrastructure etc.
There are a few more they must accomplish, but this is the basic list.

But once the government wants to create a Medical insurance fund, free education fund, free houses, electricity, water and grants for all, know that pure socialism now enters the scene and inflation and bancrupcy is the future.
Government should not be the manager of electricity companies, airways, media, Mining companies, postal services ect!
It should be free enterprise where the population can enter into businus and jobs can be created.
Once the Government think they can control these companies, and they employ much more unproductive leeches to get votes, know the taxpayer is at the loosing end for political agendas.

But the most important function of Government in my point of view is to ensure that you create a healthy environment where people will invest in your country by bringing factories and technology here, to make business, to employ people, to create wealth.

The US also have the same problem as South Africa.
China took all our production lines, such as steel, and we eventually sit wil less employment, and high steel prices. We export our steel ore to China, and buy it back!
Why, because of socialist politics by the ANC. You see, all Communists are buddies.
They dont care for the population, feed them propaganda, and give them a few dollars a month, but never admit that socialism is bad.
Anyhow, you can paint socialism as nice as you want, it cant work because once the other mans' money dries up, socialism fails.

 

[Stevicus]

Fighting to remove all private propperty.
Removing ownership from companies, and transferring it to the political party's friends and cronies.

How can they remove all private property while simultaneously transfer it to political party's friends and cronies, where it still presumably remain private? The concept of private property would still exist, even if ownership is transferred to someone else.

Many national liberation movements took on certain nationalistic elements which may have been helpful early on in countering the nationalist and imperialist elements which brought about the aggressive colonialist system in the first place. Many were allied with communists for the sake of convenience, since the Soviets had an interest in undermining Western/capitalist hegemony around the world. But nationalism and socialism are inherently contradictory and in conflict with each other, since socialism requires international cooperation and unity among the working classes of all nations.