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Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Cockadoodledoo, Aug 13, 2017.

  1. Cockadoodledoo

    Cockadoodledoo Trying to make progress!

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    Atoms move and combine to form other molecules.
    Molecules likewise combine with atoms or other molecules.
    Chance means some of the molecules will be self-replicating,
    I.e.. they form copies of themselves.
    But mistakes are sometimes made, leading to......
    Mutations of the self-replicating molecules.

    So in this world today there must exist the descendants of the self-replicating molecules,
    Assuming they didn't die off.

    The question is.......

    Are we the descendants of Adam and Eve, or
    The descendants of the self-replicating molecules?
     
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    Both.

    Unless you aren't human species.
     
  3. Cockadoodledoo

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    Are Adam and Eve the descendants of the self-replicating molecules?

    If not, why do we have the similarity between self-replicating molecules, mutating down through the ages, and the mechanism from which we 'descend' from Adam and Eve?
     
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    Molecules are not biological systems.
     
  5. Cockadoodledoo

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    Yet biological systems are constructed from molecules/atoms!!!
     
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    Mmm Adam & Eve, are the first humans, so those replicating factors start with them. Creationism solves this, however if you want to think there is some sort of replication with purpose, /complete natural,/, it 's a weird idea. Just opens other questions, really.
     
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    Yes, but that doesn't mean that the molecules self replicate.
     
  8. Cockadoodledoo

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    Chances are some molecules could form copies of themselves (some with mistakes), so perhaps one shouldn't rule it out.
     
  9. Cockadoodledoo

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    One would expect molecules that replicate would have no purpose other than to self replicate, including with mistakes, leading probably to more and more complex self replicating structures.

    Is there any evidence that these structures exist today, e.g. Trees?
     
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    So, that tree in the garden of Eden with the fruit.....
    Who thinks the fruit had seeds in it........
    And therefore perhaps it was the first structure to have the ability to make a copy of itself?
     
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    Right, I think so, sure.
     
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    Could be. This would theoretically match the narrative.
     
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    I can't believe I never thought of the name cockadoodledoo. That's such a good one!
     
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    That was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil if I'm not mistaken.
    It would be a strange state of affairs if it's fruit bore seeds, in my opinion!
     
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    Umm.. Molecular self replication is considerably more complex than what you have written here.
     
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    Chances are it occurred though, with mistakes too. That's all I'm saying.
    Trying to keep it simple, or I'll get in a mess!!!!
     
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    The emergence and continued existence of self replicating Molecular systems has a lot of very important physics and chemistry behind it and is not simply blind chance. I think reading this article will prove insightful.
    Towards open-ended evolution in self-replicating molecular systems
     
  18. Cockadoodledoo

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    If there was no God it would surely have to be, in the beginning, blind chance (unless time travellers gave a helping hand).
     
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    Laws of physics could be eternal, in which case it would not be mere chance.
     
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    I believe we are descendants of a process fostered by intelligent beings.
     
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