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Celibacy

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
o_O:facepalm:

Little children get HIV through transfusions or being born to a mother with HIV who isn't on medication to suppress it, people get STDs through ignorance simply because they weren't taught the facts and how to protect themselves, you can get them from being raped, etc. Also, the majority of people with HIV are heterosexual.

I never said otherwise....I agree with you.

In a world with gender fluidity, and no morality, its hard to maintain any kind of standard gender reference anymore. How many of those heterosexuals became infected with HIV by having sex with bi-sexual partners?....its very messed up IMO.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
"Sin", correctly understood simply means to fall short of the perfection of mind, body and spirit that was in our design in the beginning. The original word used in the scriptures was an archery term used to describe "missing the mark". That is what "sin" is....falling short of the mark.
Thank you.
That takes the sharp edges a bit off, of how some Christians tend to define sin.

Comes a bit closer to what I call Adharma
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
ROFL!
Silly pelican. I daresay celibate people get more STDs than married people, as they tend to have more sexual partners. o_O

LOL...I wasn't talking about the Catholic clergy....:rolleyes: Celibate means NO SEX....not hidden liaisons.

The church became a haven for homosexuals and pedophiles because they knew it would protect them and they had easy access to children who couldn't tell on them....no one listened.

The heterosexual priests simply preyed on the nuns, pretending that since they were "married to the church"....they could have sex legitimately with those gullible enough to believe them.

My grandmother was a housemaid in one of the convents in England in the mid 1900's, and there was a tunnel under the road separating the priests from the nuns, where the priests could go collect their bed mate for the night. She also told us about a lime pit that was used to dispose of unwanted babies that were inevitably conceived. The nun's habits were good for hiding pregnant bellies apparently.

If we are going to talk about celibacy, at least get the definition straight. It means abstinence.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
LOL...I wasn't talking about the Catholic clergy....:rolleyes: Celibate means NO SEX....not hidden liaisons.

If we are going to talk about celibacy, at least get the definition straight. It means abstinence.
You're confusing it with chastity. Celibacy is the state of being unmarried, at least, that was the original meaning. People seem to have consolidated the terms in the past thirty or forty years.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Quite some Master Plan.

Actually the Master Plan was brilliant...until someone messed it up. Understanding what God had planned in the beginning, helps us to see what will happen in the end. God had to take a detour to get us there, but it will be awesome!!! :)
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
You're confusing it with chastity. Celibacy is the state of being unmarried, at least, that was the original meaning. People seem to have consolidated the terms in the past thirty or forty years.

According to definitions online it is both...
"celibate:
abstaining from marriage and sexual relations, typically for religious reasons."


It has always been my understanding that celibate meant "no marriage, no sex".

Perhaps in recent decades as Biblical principles associated with marriage and fidelity have lost their meaning, the definition may have changed. Chastity is not practiced any more....you don't even hear the word.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
If it is spread by engaging in sexual activity that is against God's law, then logically the biology for its cause is set up in that engagement also. Perhaps you need to think about that for a moment.



The cause is ancient....sexual sin is as old as humanity. Syphilis has been around forever.

History of venereal diseases from antiquity to the renaissance. - PubMed - NCBI

AIDS is a relative newcomer and there are quite diverse reasons offered for its origins. (Some very sinister)



Yes, through sharing body fluids under circumstances, all of which contravene God's laws. These diseases had a biological cause and overstepping God's boundaries when it comes to unlawful sexual activity can definitely be the cause as well as the method of transmission.
Straw man argument. The issue was your claim that sex caused these and I have clearly demonstrated that you were wrong. You are just so full of yourself, you cannot admit it.


Like all transmissible diseases, they are spread by someone doing the wrong thing. Even someone with the flu sneezing on public transport can kill someone.
Not necessarily. How are vector born disease like West Nile the result of someone doing the wrong thing? Are you suggesting that going outside is wrong? What about nutritional diseases like vitamin deficiencies resulting from being poor and not having access to a balanced diet? How about the diseases that are spread through poor communities? I suppose those people deserve it, since they obviously do not have real faith.

Amazing, the flu can kill you, but exposing your children to disease is AOK.
If someone has acquired an STD that they then transmit to someone they love, it is a consequence of someone breaking God's law and creating an innocent victim. That one "slip up" means that they were exposed to every person their illicit partner ever slept with. This is the reality when sex is seen as a pursuit of pleasure...an act of lust, rather than a dedicated, faithful relationship to one mate for life. Anyone having sex with someone whose sexual history is unknown is playing Russian Roulette with their health.
This totally has nothing to do with the point I was educating you on. This is just your long-winded version of I got owned and I don't like it.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
That is exactly what I meant

I was not ironical. No aging and sickness is perfect and that's why I said "quite some Master Plan" (or did I use the word 'quite' wrong here?)

Sorry I misunderstood your meaning. It can be taken either way.

If you had said "brilliant Master Plan" that I would have understood. :)
 

Firemorphic

Activist Membrane
To marry or not marry, that is the question.

In my religion in general it's not really as much on the favorable side (in comparison to chastity/abstinence etc which are favored for many reasons) but it does happen. It's really hard to gauge and depends what angle someone is being celibate from, tbh.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member

“When one is confirmed in celibacy, spiritual vigor is gained.” ~ Patañjali

Power comes to him who observes unbroken Brahmacharya (celibacy) for a period of twelve years. Complete continence gives great intellectual and spiritual power. Controlled desire leads to the highest results. Transform the sexual energy into spiritual energy. The stronger this force, the more can be done with it. Only a powerful current of water can do hydraulic mining. ~ Swami Vivekananda



Celibacy results in faster spiritual progress and expansion of consciousness through meditation. The abundant physical energy is transmuted to spiritual energy manifest in increased awareness or mindfulness. It is like the potential energy stored in dams being transformed into electrical energy.

I have noticed that my spiritual progress is much faster when I am celibate.

The joy and pleasure of spirituality is also superior to sensual pleasures which are of a temporary duration.

An uncultured man loves the pleasures of the senses intensely; as he becomes cultured, he begins to love intellectual pleasures, and his sense-enjoyments become less and less. No man can enjoy a meal with the same gusto or pleasure as a dog or a wolf, but those pleasures which a man gets from intellectual experiences and achievements, the dog can never enjoy. At first, pleasure is in association with the lowest senses; but as soon as an animal reaches a higher plane of existence, the lower kind of pleasures becomes less intense. In human society, the nearer the man is to the animal, the stronger is his pleasure in the senses; and the higher and the more cultured the man is, the greater is his pleasure in intellectual and such other finer pursuits. So when a man gets even higher than the plane of the intellect, higher than that of mere thought, when he gets to the plane of spirituality and of divine inspiration, he finds there a state of bliss, compared with which all the pleasures of the senses, or even of the intellect, are as nothing. ~ Swami Vivekananda


It is not necessary that one ought to be unmarried to be celibate. After begetting children, one can practice celibacy to gain faster spiritual progress.

An interesting article by the Prajapita Brahmakumaris on celibacy...

https://www.brahma-kumaris.com/single-post/celibacy-is-raja-yoga-way-of-Life
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
“When one is confirmed in celibacy, spiritual vigor is gained.” ~ Patañjali
Wonderful quote.

Power comes to him who observes unbroken Brahmacharya for a period of twelve years. Complete continence gives great intellectual and spiritual power. Controlled desire leads to the highest results. Transform the sexual energy into spiritual energy. The stronger this force, the more can be done with it. Only a powerful current of water can do hydraulic mining. ~ Swami Vivekananda
Even better:)

Your reply is a winner
I think not many will rate it that way though:D:D:D

I wonder why
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Straw man argument. The issue was your claim that sex caused these and I have clearly demonstrated that you were wrong. You are just so full of yourself, you cannot admit it.

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Oh sorry, I believe that what you "clearly demonstrated" is not what you think. :oops:

Sexual diseases are caused by people participating in unnatural sexual practices. The biology of these diseases is formed by doing what God forbids. Sexual sin is covered in a great deal of detail in God's law. Why do you suppose that is? Obviously Methodists do not believe in God or in adhering to anything the Bible says...unless it suits them.

Disease is a product of human imperfection. If our immune systems worked at peak capacity, no bacteria or virus would survive long enough to cause illness in the first place. And whatever entered our bodies would have antibodies prepared to attack any more of the same bacteria or virus in the future, rendering them harmless. The immune system is a marvel of design....in case you hadn't noticed.

How are vector born disease like West Nile the result of someone doing the wrong thing?

Its a pity you can't read...or is it a comprehension problem? Who said disease is always the result of "doing the wrong thing"? All sickness is the result of "sin" which is imperfection inherited through no fault on our part. (Romans 5:12) It results in compromised immunity which in turn results in disease. Its got nothing to do with committing sin. That is a whole other issue.

Are you suggesting that going outside is wrong?

Talking of strawmen...? :facepalm: LOL

What about nutritional diseases like vitamin deficiencies resulting from being poor and not having access to a balanced diet? How about the diseases that are spread through poor communities? I suppose those people deserve it, since they obviously do not have real faith.

Are you serious? This is what you think we believe? Read my responses and see.....I never made such claims. You are attacking strawmen again.

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If you are going to argue, at least inform yourself of what to argue about....o_O

The poor exist because of bad government and poor management of resources. The Bible explains why. Starvation and poverty would not exist if humankind simply learned how to share and care for one another as Jesus advocated......can you give me a good reason why they can't ? I can give you many reasons why they won't....all biblical.

Amazing, the flu can kill you, but exposing your children to disease is AOK.

Thanks to clever human clinicians indiscriminately using antibiotics for any and all conditions, we now have many strains of superbugs that the medical profession cannot treat. Try exposing yourself to them...they live in hospitals. It is estimated that this situation will get much worse. Who do we blame?
Humans are doing this to themselves.

Exposing children to harmless childhood diseases didn't kill them, it gave them life long natural immunity. If doctors encouraged people today to concentrate more on building up their immune systems with good healthy food, instead of relying on supermarket pre-packaged, vitamin deficient rubbish....and artificial pharma drugs to alleviate symptoms, there would be a lot more healthy people who don't need doctors so much. Its a racket, in case you weren't aware. It creates customers for life. Greed drives everything in this world.
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Corrupt politics, greedy commercialism and false religion.....satan's trilogy.

This totally has nothing to do with the point I was educating you on. This is just your long-winded version of I got owned and I don't like it.

Again with the education?
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Seriously I do not find your posts to be the product of serious education at all.

You seem to be more about big noting yourself.....what is with that?

Keep going...you're doing well.
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Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
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Oh sorry, I believe that what you "clearly demonstrated" is not what you think. :oops:

Sexual diseases are caused by people participating in unnatural sexual practices. The biology of these diseases is formed by doing what God forbids. Sexual sin is covered in a great deal of detail in God's law. Why do you suppose that is? Obviously Methodists do not believe in God or in adhering to anything the Bible says...unless it suits them.

Disease is a product of human imperfection. If our immune systems worked at peak capacity, no bacteria or virus would survive long enough to cause illness in the first place. And whatever entered our bodies would have antibodies prepared to attack any more of the same bacteria or virus in the future, rendering them harmless. The immune system is a marvel of design....in case you hadn't noticed.



Its a pity you can't read...or is it a comprehension problem? Who said disease is always the result of "doing the wrong thing"? All sickness is the result of "sin" which is imperfection inherited through no fault on our part. (Romans 5:12) It results in compromised immunity which in turn results in disease. Its got nothing to do with committing sin. That is a whole other issue.



Talking of strawmen...? :facepalm: LOL



Are you serious? This is what you think we believe? Read my responses and see.....I never made such claims. You are attacking strawmen again.

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If you are going to argue, at least inform yourself of what to argue about....o_O

The poor exist because of bad government and poor management of resources. The Bible explains why. Starvation and poverty would not exist if humankind simply learned how to share and care for one another as Jesus advocated......can you give me a good reason why they can't? I can give you many reasons why they won't....all biblical.



Thanks to clever human clinicians indiscriminately using antibiotics for any and all conditions, we now have many strains of superbugs that the medical profession cannot treat. Try exposing yourself to them...they live in hospitals. It is estimated that this situation will get much worse. Who do we blame?
Humans are doing this to themselves.

Exposing children to harmless childhood diseases didn't kill them, it gave them life long natural immunity. If doctors encouraged people today to concentrated more on building up their immune systems with good healthy food, instead of relying on supermarket pre-packaged, vitamin deficient rubbish....and artificial pharma drugs to alleviate symptoms, there would be a lot more healthy people who don't need doctors so much. Its a racket, in case you weren't aware. It creates customers for life. Greed drives everything in this world.
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Corrupt politics, greedy commercialism and false religion.....satan's trilogy.



Again with the education?
confused0075.gif
Seriously I do not find your posts to be the product of serious education at all.

You seem to be more about big noting yourself.....what is with that?

Keep going...you're doing well.
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Look at you go. I really struck a nerve. Pretty much proves what I said. Thank you for so kindly supporting my position with your actions and responses.
 

Dan From Smithville

What's up Doc?
Staff member
Premium Member
LOL..that is so old....
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Try your reverse psychology on someone else.
It must be terrible to be shown you are wrong and then have to go through all that nonsense to avoid admitting it. Someday, you will have to tell me what that is like.
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
You're confusing it with chastity. Celibacy is the state of being unmarried, at least, that was the original meaning. People seem to have consolidated the terms in the past thirty or forty years.
Just one correction. You are confusing chastity with continence.

Celibacy refers to the vow to remain unmarried. Chastity is the virtue which moderates the sexual drive. Continence is the state of abstaining from all sexual activity. Chastity requires a celibate to be continent, but a married couple need not be continent to be chaste.

It has always been my understanding that celibate meant "no marriage, no sex".
Strictly speaking, celibacy is the vow to forgo marriage. Celibacy is a commitment to continence (as defined above) insofar as all sexual activity outside of marriage incurs serious sin.
 
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crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Just one correction. You are confusing chastity with continence.

Celibacy refers to the vow to remain unmarried. Chastity is the virtue which moderates the sexual drive. Continence is the state of abstaining from all sexual activity. Chastity requires a celibate to be continent, but a married couple need not be continent to be chaste.


Strictly speaking, celibacy is the vow to forgo marriage. Celibacy is a commitment to continence (as defined above) insofar as all sexual activity outside of marriage incurs serious sin.
Well, I'm celibate, chaste, and continent. However, continence may apply in actuality but not in spirit, (or vice versa--pardon the pun) as I don't view sex as a sin. I'm very happy with it.
Your mileage may vary.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Wonderful quote.


Even better:)

Your reply is a winner
I think not many will rate it that way though:D:D:D

I wonder why


Celibacy for yoga is unheard of outside of the likes of Patanjali, Tirumular and others that spawned the entire idea of sannyasin. What hatha yoga class teaches celibacy? Because it takes a great deal of will, and folks can't grasp that idea for themselves, they project their own feelings out there.
 
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