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CBS lied abouT Rittenhouse crossing state line armed...

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by SA Huguenot, Nov 23, 2021.

  1. Shaul

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    Transporting a legally owned firearm across a state border isn’t any crime.
     
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  2. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    They ruled that they weren't sure of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

    The US justice system - like that of many countries - is set up around an idea like Blackstone's Ratio:

    It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.

    Blackstone's ratio - Wikipedia

    IMO, Rittenhouse is one of the "ten" that Blackstone was talking about.
     
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  3. Shaul

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    So a jury and court which had access to the best evidence the prosecution could offer couldn’t come to a guilty verdict, but you, internet hero, know he is certainly guilty.
     
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    Do you think OJ Simpson was guilty?
     
  5. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Should I take your strawmanning of my position as a sign that you don't have an argument against what I'm actually saying?
     
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    This is a very interesting argument.

    For the last two years, I've seen many people, mainly conservatives, dismiss expert consensus on a potentially life-threatening pandemic disease and act as what one could call "internet experts." But now, in a court case where the right generally agrees with the verdict, I see you and many others appeal to the authority of the judge and the jury and dismiss contrary opinions on the basis that they don't have access to the best evidence--which is exactly the case with laypeople who don't have the credentials or academic background to understand medical evidence.

    I understand that some people lean right and have conservative beliefs even if I disagree, but when consistency is so casually flouted in discussions like this, I don't know how you expect others to respond to your position.
     
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  7. Shaul

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    So you don’t think the court and jury had the best evidence.
     
  8. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Would you like me to copy-paste this for all of your replies from now on?

    Should I take your strawmanning of my position as a sign that you don't have an argument against what I'm actually saying?
     
  9. Shaul

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    Any unspecified supposed opinions you purportedly have seen about a pandemic have nothing to do with a poster not accepting the official verdict of a court and jury in this case.
     
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    They do, though, unless you yourself defer to expert authorities on everything. If you have ever disagreed with expert opinions, then you should be able to discern the logic behind disagreeing with an official verdict of a court and jury.
     
  11. Shaul

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    Cut and paste? Ok. You wrote “I say he's a murderer because he killed two people in a way that broke the law.” I pointed out, quite correctly, “Yet a court and jury didn’t rule so.” There is no straw man.
     
  12. Shaul

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    Wrong. False dichotomy.
     
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    I guess you are unaware of the thousands of innocent men that have been imprisoned by "the best evidence the prosecution could offer". If you were aware you wouldn't be making comments about the reliability of juries.
     
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    I’m aware of that and that guilty people are also not convicted. Which isn’t relevant. Because I am also aware that courts are the best determiners of Justice, not opinions of internet denizens. Something you seem to overlook.
     
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    Kyle Rittenhouse listened to the Proud Boys anthem serenaded to him by the Proud Boys. Hence, Kyle Rittenhouse knew the Proud Boys were buying his beer of which Kyle Rittenhouse drank three bottles worth bought by the Proud Boys. So now what do you think about Kyle Rittenhouse being so cozy and cordial with the Proud Boys? There is no denying the Proud Boys acting as Kyle Rittenhouse's legal guardian gifted him his beer, because in Wisconsin an 18 year old can only legally drink beer under the supervision of a legal adult guardian. Please let us know why we should not consider an 18 year old having white supremacists act as his legal guardian buying beer for the 18 year old as belonging to white supremacists?
     
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    I look at the Wall Street Journal, hardly a far left outlet because they score high in accuracy and provide an alternate view of events from a business viewpoint. "The Hill" also is center right and high in accuracy.

    Fox's reality is illustrated by them requiring vaccinations for employees while their commentators say the opposite.
     
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  18. Shaul

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    Because the whole narrative is a lie. He says it was a set up.
    Kyle Rittenhouse says Proud Boys meeting was a "set up"
     
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    Well if you expected me to call out your illogic then you shouldn’t have tried to peddle it.
     
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    That was wrong to frame Kyle Rittenhouse"s meeting with the Proud Boys. Please kindly disregard my remarks about Kyle Rittenhouse being associated with white supremacists
     
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