Cause and Effect are not Dead

[idav]

stretching is a movement

it had a beginning

and time does not exist

Let's not confuse having movement with having intention. The term "first" is an arbitrary distinction of some elements having more force.

 

[Thief]

Let's not confuse having movement with having intention. The term "first" is an arbitrary distinction of some elements having more force.

not altogether arbitrary

Someone had to be first in mind and heart

and the universe( one word) does seem to have sufficient design to be intended

 

[idav]

not altogether arbitrary

Someone had to be first in mind and heart

and the universe( one word) does seem to have sufficient design to be intended

Why "had to be". Present your logic. I think god is god due to its nature. Nature first god second, some thing had to be first, it doesn't need to be a thinking thing, it even sounds less probable for intelligence to come first.

 

[Thief]

Why "had to be". Present your logic. I think god is god due to its nature. Nature first god second, some thing had to be first, it doesn't need to be a thinking thing, it even sounds less probable for intelligence to come first.

existence seems linear

in regression....Someone had to be First
and substance (dead) cannot beget the living

that we are a blend of spirit and substance
doesn't mean substance came first

Man is not a mystery
the body generates a unique soul on each occasion
the design does just what it should