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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Corban, Sep 28, 2004.

  1. Corban

    Corban Member

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    Explain tradition, what constitutes tradition, from whence did it come, just the early apostles? or did the later leaders of the church produce traditions for future generations?
     
  2. Scott1

    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    You are a hard one to figure out.... to codemn Catholisism when it is so clear to everyone you don't know much about it confounds me..... oh well, here's to education!

    Tradition:


    76 In keeping with the Lord's command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways:

    - orally "by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received - whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit";33

    - in writing "by those apostles and other men associated with the apostles who, under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit, committed the message of salvation to writing".34

    77 "In order that the full and living Gospel might always be preserved in the Church the apostles left bishops as their successors. They gave them their own position of teaching authority."35 Indeed, "the apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved in a continuous line of succession until the end of time."36

    78 This living transmission, accomplished in the Holy Spirit, is called Tradition, since it is distinct from Sacred Scripture, though closely connected to it. Through Tradition, "the Church, in her doctrine, life and worship, perpetuates and transmits to every generation all that she herself is, all that she believes."37 "The sayings of the holy Fathers are a witness to the life-giving presence of this Tradition, showing how its riches are poured out in the practice and life of the Church, in her belief and her prayer."38 79 The Father's self-communication made through his Word in the Holy Spirit, remains present and active in the Church: "God, who spoke in the past, continues to converse with the Spouse of his beloved Son. And the Holy Spirit, through whom the living voice of the Gospel rings out in the Church - and through her in the world - leads believers to the full truth, and makes the Word of Christ dwell in them in all its richness."39

    Like to read the complete teaching from the Catechism:
    http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s1c2a2.htm#74

    Sacred Tradition should not be confused with mere traditions of men, which are more commonly called customs or disciplines. Jesus sometimes condemned customs or disciplines, but only if they were contrary to God’s commands (Mark 7:8). He never condemned sacred Tradition, and he didn’t even condemn all human tradition.

    Sacred Tradition and the Bible are not different or competing revelations. They are two ways that the Church hands on the gospel. Apostolic teachings such as the Trinity, infant baptism, the inerrancy of the Bible, purgatory, and Mary’s perpetual virginity have been most clearly taught through Tradition, although they are also implicitly present in (and not contrary to) the Bible. The Bible itself tells us to hold fast to Tradition, whether it comes to us in written or oral form (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2).

    Sacred Tradition should not be confused with customs and disciplines, such as the rosary, priestly celibacy, and not eating meat on Fridays in Lent. These are good and helpful things, but they are not doctrines. Sacred Tradition preserves doctrines first taught by Jesus to the apostles and later passed down to us through the apostles’ successors, the bishops.

    www.catholic.com

    Peace,
    Scott
     
  3. Runt

    Runt Well-Known Member

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    SOGFPP, in his last few posts Corban has not been condemning Catholicism at all, but merely asking questions. Condemning HIM for his lack of understanding is unfair. It is okay to educate him; it is not okay to make fun of him is not.
     
  4. huajiro

    huajiro Well-Known Member

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    I honestly think too many people get caught up in the details of the religions. Religion is not Politics, there is no need to debate. Rather than trying to pick each other apart, why not try to find similarities? That way we can all help each other find the right path. People have been killing each other for centuries over those same differences.
     
  5. Scott1

    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    Sure, faith in God is not a political issue..... but morality is. Proper, ethical governance of a population is not something restricted to a mathematical formula, it has good and bad, right and wrong....... these are things that religion teaches. Yes, it's possible to get these things outside of formal religion, but to say that religion has no place in politics in this context...... :confused:

    Just because my ideal of right and wrong comes from God, does not mean that I don't have the right to use that ideal in the secular world.

    Peace,
    Scott
     
  6. huajiro

    huajiro Well-Known Member

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    The Inquisition was great example of "proper ethical governance", don't you think?


    I don't know where I gave you the idea that my idea of right and wrong comes from anywhere but "God".
     
  7. Scott1

    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    Hmmmm... and I thought that a polite exchange of ideas would be the way to go.... :tsk:

    I never said that it did or didn't.... I was making a comment related to the topic at hand.

    Peace,
    Scott
     
  8. Bryan X

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    That's just typical Catholic attitude. No offense, SOGFPP.
     
  9. Scott1

    Scott1 Well-Known Member

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    None taken Bryan.

    Welcome back.... hope to see you posting more.

    Scott
     
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