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Featured catholics, orthodox, and protestants: can you explain the trinity?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, Jul 23, 2021.

  1. PearlSeeker

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    If both are eternal then love between them is coeternal.
     
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  3. URAVIP2ME

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    Yes, Scripture does teach those resurrected to Heaven are higher than the angels - Daniel 7:18; Daniel 7:22.
    They become Not angels, but become ' saints / holy ones '.
    These are like the people mentioned at Luke 22:28-30; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 20:6.
    Those called to Heaven serve with Christ for a thousand years as: kings and priests.- Revelation 5:9-10.
    As Kings those saints/holy ones will work at taking care of governmental duties towards people of Earth.
    As Priests they will have the job of caring for spiritual duties towards people living on Earth.
    Their job or position will last for a thousand years according to 1 Corinthians 15:22-26.
    Once our ' last enemy death ' is destroyed then mankind will No longer need their heavenly service.
     
  4. URAVIP2ME

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    Scripture proposed: At Psalms 104:30 it says when God sends forth His spirit things are created.
    For or because of God's spirit is then how we exist - Acts of the Apostles 17:28
    So, the spirit is Not God Himself but His energy force used to accomplish God's wishes.
    Bible writers were moved by God's spirit to write down Scripture for us - 2 Peter 1:21; 2 Timothy 3:16-17
    Yes, God's spirit is Not equal to God nor to Jesus, and God's spirit is a neuter "it" - Numbers 11:17; Numbers 11:25.
    See also: Nehemiah 9:20; Acts of the Apostles 2:17 A.
     
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  5. URAVIP2ME

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    Yes, God "IS" love. God has: wisdom, God has: mercy, God has: justice, God has: power, but God "IS" love.
    The "US" found at Genesis 1:26 is God speaking to the heavenly person found at Colossians 1:15.
    The beginning of the creation by God according to John at Revelation 3:14.
    "US" does Not have to be three but just one other person.
    Only the Creator (Revelation 4:11) and His heavenly firstborn Son are the "US" of Genesis 1:26.
    Kind of like a business man who wanted to take someone into his business.
    Kind of like God would hang up a shingle that could read ' Father & Son Inc.'
    Father is always the Boss aka Creator, and Son always remains His Son.
     
  6. Dogknox20

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    John 4:24, Jesus says “God is spirit and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
    firedragon good question.. Holy Spirit is equal to God and Jesus.

    Right off.... If there is a Prefect God then there is TWO.. Can't be One because God is LOVE!
    If there is a Perfect God there MUST be two...
    firedragon Perfect Love produces fruit, it creates!
    In progression.... If there is a PERFECT God then there must be THREE! The split second (so we can wrap our mind around it God always was)! The split second there is a God there MUST be three (3)!
    The Western Church commonly uses a version of the Nicene creed which has the Latin word filioque (“and the Son”) added after the declaration that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father.

    Scripture reveals that the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. Just as the Father externally sent the Son into the world in time, the Son internally proceeds from the Father in the Trinity.
    The Father sends the Son the Son sends the Holy bSpirit! The Holy Spirit Internally proceeds from both Father and Son in the Trinity. This is why the Spirit is referred to as the Spirit of the Son (Gal. 4:6) and not just the Spirit of the Father (Matt. 10:20).
     
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    Christians worship Jesus they always have worshiped Jesus!
    Jesus is GOD not an angel! No one worships angels! Satan (fallen Angel) wants worship he is NOT God!

    URAVIP2ME You take individual verses and twist them to fit your theology! Most of it is your OPINION! Jesus destroyed Death on the cross, he restored Life when he rose!
    To live forever you MUST be IMMERSED into the risen, can't die body of Jesus! NO ONE...

    URAVIP2ME
    no one can die twice.. You can't kill a dog twice.. To each is allotted one death! Jesus has died: He has been there he has done that!
    Get into Jesus and have life eternal! AS THE SCRIPTURES TELL YOU!

    Drop your nonsense about Angels it is moot, Satan has you chasing down rabbet trails!
     
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    Alright thanks. So They are not equal in your theology.

    Cheers.
     
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    So in your theology also they are not equal?
     
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    John 1:10 says that Jesus created the world.
    Colossians 1:16 says that all things are created by Jesus and upheld by His power.
    John 20:28, the Apostle Thomas says..."My Lord and my God".
    1st
    Timothy 3:16 says that God was born in the flesh.

    Jesus told the Pharisees....>"before Abraham was......I AM"......and "I Am" is God's designation for Himself as spoken to Moses from the burning bush.

    Jesus said, "if you've see me, you've seen the Father".

    Jesus said..>"You believe in God, believe also in Me".

    Jesus said....""Father forgive them they know not what they do".

    Jesus said...."Father not my will, but yours be done"...

    John 14:26.....Jesus said.."the Comforter will come, (holy Spirit)".

    Acts 2, the Holy Spirit came.
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    If you do the math, you have.

    God, The Father,

    Jesus, the Word

    The Holy Spirit , the comforter.

    That's 3. yet, ONE SPIRIT., as "God is A Spirit".

    Jesus said you "Must be born again".....and Christian's are born again Spiritually.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    The basic proposal on the Trinity from a Catholic perspective is that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are of the "essence" of God.

    essence: a property or group of properties of something without which it would not exist or be what it is.
     
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    Please convey that to those who propose something different.

    nevertheless, if you want to discuss the trinity as a concept, its a good topic, and maybe you just didnt get that right in your statement above. Not completely right.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    It's another person's right to believe in what they decide to believe.

    I actually did get it "right" from the Catholic Church's perspective, which is not to say that I personally believe that it is [I reserve judgement].
     
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    Hello firedragon you have it a little wrong...
    Let me put it this way....
    If there is NO Holy Spirit then there is NO God... If there is NO Holy Spirit then God would not be perfect!
    If there is NO Jesus (The Word) then there would be NO God... God would not be perfect!
    If there is NO God the father then would n0t be The Word Or the Holy Spirit! .. CAN'T...

    firedragon
    can't have one without the other two! MUST..
    firedragon
    must have three (3) or there is no God!
    Jesus preceded from the Father the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son!
    THEY ARE ALL EQUAL ALL ARE GOD!
    There MUST be three each is important!
    22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
    become like one of us
     
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    Anyones right is anyones right. But that's irrelevant to my response to someone else because that person was not violating anyones right. :)

    It's another person's right to believe in what they decide to believe.
     
  16. firedragon

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    You keep trying to prove the trinity with some verses from the OT. Its irrelevant. And your apologetics are uninformed and wrong as a matter of fact. Yet its irrelevant so I will definitely not address that.

    Have a great day.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    But only some do the studying.:)
     
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    Studying what Metis? Thats the question. :)
     
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    God is LOVE! New Testament!
    Can't love self You need another to have perfect love. LOGIC!
    For God to love perfectly he needs another or he would not be perfect. LOGIC!
     
  20. firedragon

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    Oh I see. So this whole thing about the Holy Spirit being the "Love" between God and Jesus was to justify the apologetic of "To love, you need one or two more people around". Mate. Thats not logic, that's illogical. If God is love, he doesnt need others to have it. God was a creator long before creation which is his quality and he doesnt need creation to have that quality. Without that quality he cannot create. So logically he has to always be a creator. That is logic.

    Anyway now I understand what this whole thing was all about. So much effort to say "God had someone else with him".
     
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