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Catholics Only: Is ignorance knowable?

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Trinity Stooge, Aug 4, 2021.

  1. Trinity Stooge

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    As Man, we seem to have a dual capacity for ignorance that allows us to both ignore and be ignored. I can ignore that I am, and I can deny what I am, but how does God know Ignorance, the act of ignoring? Vicariously? If so, then who is God's Vicar, and what is his relationship to the World? If God ignores directly, then what becomes of omniscience at that point?
     
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    I don't understand what you are talking about, I'm afraid.
     
  3. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    I'm not sure what you're trying to say, so maybe use an example?
     
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    Likewise as to the confusion of what you intended. Is ignore the root of ignorance? One refers to non attention to, the other lack of knowledge of.
     
  5. Trinity Stooge

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    Hi guys, thanks for responding, and sorry for the confusion. This isn't really a question about Roman Catholicism at all, and I hope none of you took it that way. I just have noticed that certain filters result in a higher S/N ratio, and I'm not interested in discussing Trinity, or Sola Scriptura, or any other silliness that certain groups bring up from time to time, after time, after time.

    What I'm really interested in is what Christians understand about the Knowledge of God and the Ignorance of God; how they relate to each other, and who owns them. Both of these things are of God's Essence, as is the Son.

    Here are two statements:

    I am I.

    I am He.

    As a Man, can we substantiate either of these statements? If so then how so?
     
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    I'm much more an example of the latter because it is virtually impossible to know how much of scripture is real history. OTOH, what I can and have learned from are the basic teachings of Judeo-Christian morality, especially the "law of love".
     
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    Still confused as to what you are actually asking. Knowledge of God is through the traditions handed on as their experience of God. Yet God remains a mystery, incomprehensible.
     
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    Trinity Stooge Good to meet you...
    Scriptures are clear... "God is Love"! Man is made in the image of God! Only man can Love! Dogs, Snails, Frogs, Chicken Horses.. etc ..cannot love!
    Love is: "Giving of self for another person!" CAN'T....

    Trinity Stooge can't love by self! You MUST step out of your box, out of your comfort zone, at personal cost to love! Alms giving is a loving act! Doing things for other people are loving acts! Basically "Giving of your time talent or treasure" are acts of Love!

    God does everything perfectly... If he did not he then would not be God! God is LOVE! Can't love yourself that is NOT perfect love! God needs another person to love to be perfect; from the very first there was two (2) God and the person he loves if there was NOT two (2) then God would not be perfect he would NOT be Love, he would not be God!

    John 1.. In the beginning was the word... The word was God! ... The word became man and lived among us!
    Jesus redeemed us by perfect love! Jesus gave of himself perfectly, totally; Not only letting go of his life but his body and divinity! Jesus gives so mush so perfectly he gives us his body to consume!
    Trinity Stooge God became part of his own creation!

    Jesus rose from the dead because he was sinless.. "The wages of sin is death" Death could not hold Jesus in the grave; all united to Jesus "In LOVE" will never die... "Jesus has been there and done that.. No one can die twice!
     
  9. Mister Emu

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    He's not talking about our knowledge of God, but the knowledge that properly belongs to God.

    @Trinity Stooge

    Have you ever browsed Summa? Aquinas has a whole section on God's knowledge in Prima.

    As for ignorance, I would suggest that ignorance is not properly a thing itself to know, but the lack of a thing. That is, "knowing" ignorance is representative of an imperfection in knowledge or awareness, which is not properly attributable to God, who is perfection.
     
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