Catholic Logic And Compassion Hit An All-time Low. Like Nonexistent

[Skwim]

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"After a kindergartner was denied entry into a Catholic school for having same-sex parents, hundreds of people petitioned the school’s leaders hoping to reverse the decision.

The petition is addressed to Kansas City Archbishop Joseph Naumann and school Superintendent Kathy O’Hara, both of whom oversee St. Ann Catholic School.​

“Respectfully, we believe that the decision to deny a child of God access to such a wonderful community and education, based on the notion that his or her parent’s union is not in accordance with the Church’s teaching in Sacramental marriage, lacks the compassion and mercy of Christ’s message,” the petition reads.​

I guess they didn’t realize they were speaking to leaders in the Catholic Church. Asking for compassion and mercy mean nothing to Church leaders when confronted with the opportunity to denigrate same-sex couples.

Unsurprisingly, Naumanmn and O’Hara refused to budge in their decision, claiming that the Church is firm in its stance about what “real” marriage looks like.

in a statement to The Star on Wednesday, O’Hara said the “Church’s teaching on marriage is clear and is not altered by the laws of civil society.” Catholic doctrine recognizes marriage “as a sacrament entered into between a man and woman.”

“The Church teaches that individuals with same sex attraction should be treated with dignity,” the statement read. “However, the challenge regarding same sex couples and our Catholic schools is that same sex parents cannot model behaviors and attitudes regarding marriage and sexual morality consistent with essential components of the Church’s teachings.”
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The petitioners have a point, though, about the decision lacking compassion. The child in question didn’t choose his or her circumstances, nor is he or she responsible for the sexual identity of the parents. Why is the school punishing a child for the “sins” of the parents? If the parents wanted to send the kid to a Catholic school, you would think Church officials would welcome the opportunity to impart their beliefs."
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It would be interesting hear a defense, if any, of Naumanmn and O’Hara's decision.

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[Salvador]

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"After a kindergartner was denied entry into a Catholic school for having same-sex parents, hundreds of people petitioned the school’s leaders hoping to reverse the decision.

The petition is addressed to Kansas City Archbishop Joseph Naumann and school Superintendent Kathy O’Hara, both of whom oversee St. Ann Catholic School.​

“Respectfully, we believe that the decision to deny a child of God access to such a wonderful community and education, based on the notion that his or her parent’s union is not in accordance with the Church’s teaching in Sacramental marriage, lacks the compassion and mercy of Christ’s message,” the petition reads.​

I guess they didn’t realize they were speaking to leaders in the Catholic Church. Asking for compassion and mercy mean nothing to Church leaders when confronted with the opportunity to denigrate same-sex couples.

Unsurprisingly, Naumanmn and O’Hara refused to budge in their decision, claiming that the Church is firm in its stance about what “real” marriage looks like.

in a statement to The Star on Wednesday, O’Hara said the “Church’s teaching on marriage is clear and is not altered by the laws of civil society.” Catholic doctrine recognizes marriage “as a sacrament entered into between a man and woman.”

“The Church teaches that individuals with same sex attraction should be treated with dignity,” the statement read. “However, the challenge regarding same sex couples and our Catholic schools is that same sex parents cannot model behaviors and attitudes regarding marriage and sexual morality consistent with essential components of the Church’s teachings.”
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The petitioners have a point, though, about the decision lacking compassion. The child in question didn’t choose his or her circumstances, nor is he or she responsible for the sexual identity of the parents. Why is the school punishing a child for the “sins” of the parents? If the parents wanted to send the kid to a Catholic school, you would think Church officials would welcome the opportunity to impart their beliefs."
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It would be interesting hear a defense, if any, of Naumanmn and O’Hara's decision.

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I suppose if any gay parent really wants his/her child enrolled in a parochial school system, then he/she will have to refrain from any same sex-marriage and otherwise as a single parent enroll his/her child there into a Catholic education.

 

[Brickjectivity]

The petition is the furthest they should take it. If the petition succeeds the parents would be unwise to put their kid in under the circumstances in the OP. The administrators also should get legal advice either way.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

If a large number of other parents removed their children from the school, maybe that would get some attention. But unfortunately most parents are not concerned enough to take real action. Same with priests abusing children. If a large number of people dropped out of the church it would get some attention. But most are afraid to do anything.

 

[Glaurung]

As unfortunate as such situations are, the Church's teaching on sexuality is clear. Any use of the sexual faculty outside of a sacramentally valid marriage is always and everywhere intrinsically sinful. As such, no Catholic institution has the right to cooperate with or endorse (even if only tacitly) any union in violation of the moral and natural law. (To do so would constitute scandal which is itself a sin). Thus the school in question was correct in its decision. No one has an inherent right to the services of a Catholic institution. Especially those who are obstinate in public mortal sin.

Fundamentally, the Church's mission is to bring as many souls as possible to Christ by the sacraments and the teaching of those truths necessary for salvation. The mere fact that someone is inconvenienced by the Church's adherence to moral truth is in no way a degeneration of compassion. True compassion never compromises on truth. (Something many in the Church have forgotten, or choose to ignore). True compassion is in the Sacrament of Penance, wherein those who seek the reject their sins and start anew can do so.

It is not compassionate to cooperate with lifestyles which if held on to obstinately will damn the soul. And that truth doesn't go away simply because Catholics find themselves in a culture that is hostile to Christian morals.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

If the church believes that sex outside of marriage is wrong why don't they refuse children whose parents are not married? They would probably lose half of their students if they did that. But they would rather speak out of both sides of their mouth and have a double standard. An unmarried man and an unmarried woman is acceptable but two unmarried men are not acceptable. Make sense?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

If the church believes that sex outside of marriage is wrong why don't they refuse children whose parents are not married? They would probably lose half of their students if they did that. But they would rather speak out of both sides of their mouth and have a double standard. An unmarried man and an unmarried woman is acceptable but two unmarried men are not acceptable. Make sense?

Very good point! Apparently, there are 'degrees' of sinful behavior

 

[SomeRandom]

I wouldn’t go anywhere near Catholic Churches with children, and I’m not even gay.

But that has more to do with my more “liberal” attitudes when it comes to child discipline and ethics in general.

Though I’ll concede that living in the wake of the Pell scandal might have coloured my perception for a little while.

 

[Salvador]

If a large number of other parents removed their children from the school, maybe that would get some attention. But unfortunately most parents are not concerned enough to take real action. Same with priests abusing children. If a large number of people dropped out of the church it would get some attention. But most are afraid to do anything.

Please let's examine the number of legally convicted sex crime offenders in the U.S., and then we can objectively compare what percentage of American Catholic Priests are convicted sex abusers in comparison to percentage of the overall general American adult population who are legally convicted sex abusers. There are 747,408 registered sex crime offenders in the U.S. If there are 747,408 registered sex crime offenders, then there are at least 747,408 convicted sex crime offenders in the overall general population of the U.S.

Out of 747,408 Registered Sex Offenders, How Many Are Actually Dangerous?

Out of 423 Christian American Priests, who have been convicted of sexual abuse, 150 of them were Catholic American Priests.

There are approximately 150 former American Catholic priests, who've been convicted of sex abuse.

Here Are The Details Of 423 Christian Priests Who Have Been Convicted Of Sexual Abuse

There are now approximately 60,000 American Catholic priests. 150 convicted sex abusers out of 60,000 means that approximately only one out of 400 American Catholic Priests (0.25 percent ) are convicted sex crime offenders. According to widely available U.S. Census data, there are approximately 240 million American adults ( age 18 or over ) 747,408 convicted sex abusers out of 240 million means that at least one out of 320 ( 0.31 percent ) of the American adult population are convicted sex crime offenders.

Only approximately 0.25 percent of American Priests are convicted sex crime offenders compared to at least 0.31 percent of the overall American adult population who are convicted sex crime offenders.

So then, when considering all legally defined sex crimes, Priests are at least 25 percent less likely to be legally found guilty of a sex crime than the likelihood somebody who is a non-Priest is legally found guilty of a sex crime. This is one good reason why parents would rather their children attend a Catholic school instead of a public school. ...

 

[Father Heathen]

Why would a homosexual couple want to enroll their child in a school ran by a homophobic institution in the first place?

 

[Father Heathen]

If a large number of other parents removed their children from the school, maybe that would get some attention. But unfortunately most parents are not concerned enough to take real action.

Or, it being a catholic school, are likely catholic themselves and share their church's attitude toward homosexuality. It's not rational or fair, especially for the child, but what did people expect?

 

[Skwim]

As unfortunate as such situations are, the Church's teaching on sexuality is clear. Any use of the sexual faculty outside of a sacramentally valid marriage is always and everywhere intrinsically sinful.

What is this "sexual faculty" you mention?

As such, no Catholic institution has the right to cooperate with or endorse (even if only tacitly) any union in violation of the moral and natural law. (To do so would constitute scandal which is itself a sin).

What does this have to do with admitting a child of a same sex couple into the school?

Fundamentally, the Church's mission is to bring as many souls as possible to Christ by the sacraments and the teaching of those truths necessary for salvation. The mere fact that someone is inconvenienced by the Church's adherence to moral truth is in no way a degeneration of compassion.

Just how does this "moral truth" read?

It is not compassionate to cooperate with lifestyles which if held on to obstinately will damn the soul.

In what manner does the admittance of a child of a same sex couple into the school cooperate with the lifestyle of a same sex couple as opposed to conventional couples?

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[SeekingAnswers]

What is this "sexual faculty" you mention?

I hope you don't actually need someone to explain this to you

What does this have to do with admitting a child of a same sex couple into the school?

Because that would be doing exactly what the post said they shouldn't do? Are you actually reading these before you reply?

Just how does this "moral truth" read?

See first lines of quoted post.

In what manner does the admittance of a child of a same sex couple into the school cooperate with the lifestyle of a same sex couple as opposed to conventional couples?

...Either you misread what what written in the quoted post or you mistyped what you meant to say here.

 

[bobhikes]

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"After a kindergartner was denied entry into a Catholic school for having same-sex parents, hundreds of people petitioned the school’s leaders hoping to reverse the decision.

The petition is addressed to Kansas City Archbishop Joseph Naumann and school Superintendent Kathy O’Hara, both of whom oversee St. Ann Catholic School.​

“Respectfully, we believe that the decision to deny a child of God access to such a wonderful community and education, based on the notion that his or her parent’s union is not in accordance with the Church’s teaching in Sacramental marriage, lacks the compassion and mercy of Christ’s message,” the petition reads.​

I guess they didn’t realize they were speaking to leaders in the Catholic Church. Asking for compassion and mercy mean nothing to Church leaders when confronted with the opportunity to denigrate same-sex couples.

Unsurprisingly, Naumanmn and O’Hara refused to budge in their decision, claiming that the Church is firm in its stance about what “real” marriage looks like.

in a statement to The Star on Wednesday, O’Hara said the “Church’s teaching on marriage is clear and is not altered by the laws of civil society.” Catholic doctrine recognizes marriage “as a sacrament entered into between a man and woman.”

“The Church teaches that individuals with same sex attraction should be treated with dignity,” the statement read. “However, the challenge regarding same sex couples and our Catholic schools is that same sex parents cannot model behaviors and attitudes regarding marriage and sexual morality consistent with essential components of the Church’s teachings.”
​

The petitioners have a point, though, about the decision lacking compassion. The child in question didn’t choose his or her circumstances, nor is he or she responsible for the sexual identity of the parents. Why is the school punishing a child for the “sins” of the parents? If the parents wanted to send the kid to a Catholic school, you would think Church officials would welcome the opportunity to impart their beliefs."
source

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It would be interesting hear a defense, if any, of Naumanmn and O’Hara's decision.

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First I believe the church is wrong but what really baffles me about this story is why a Same Sex marriage would want there kids to go to a catholic school. The kid is going to be taught that their relationship is wrong and you have the real possibility of a pedophile harming the kid.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

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"After a kindergartner was denied entry into a Catholic school for having same-sex parents, hundreds of people petitioned the school’s leaders hoping to reverse the decision.

The petition is addressed to Kansas City Archbishop Joseph Naumann and school Superintendent Kathy O’Hara, both of whom oversee St. Ann Catholic School.​

“Respectfully, we believe that the decision to deny a child of God access to such a wonderful community and education, based on the notion that his or her parent’s union is not in accordance with the Church’s teaching in Sacramental marriage, lacks the compassion and mercy of Christ’s message,” the petition reads.​

I guess they didn’t realize they were speaking to leaders in the Catholic Church. Asking for compassion and mercy mean nothing to Church leaders when confronted with the opportunity to denigrate same-sex couples.

Unsurprisingly, Naumanmn and O’Hara refused to budge in their decision, claiming that the Church is firm in its stance about what “real” marriage looks like.

in a statement to The Star on Wednesday, O’Hara said the “Church’s teaching on marriage is clear and is not altered by the laws of civil society.” Catholic doctrine recognizes marriage “as a sacrament entered into between a man and woman.”

“The Church teaches that individuals with same sex attraction should be treated with dignity,” the statement read. “However, the challenge regarding same sex couples and our Catholic schools is that same sex parents cannot model behaviors and attitudes regarding marriage and sexual morality consistent with essential components of the Church’s teachings.”
​

The petitioners have a point, though, about the decision lacking compassion. The child in question didn’t choose his or her circumstances, nor is he or she responsible for the sexual identity of the parents. Why is the school punishing a child for the “sins” of the parents? If the parents wanted to send the kid to a Catholic school, you would think Church officials would welcome the opportunity to impart their beliefs."
source

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It would be interesting hear a defense, if any, of Naumanmn and O’Hara's decision.

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2 points...

1)It sounds like a bunch of Catholics might have been involved in signing the petition. So I have some problem with the thread title. Catholic leadership, maybe?

2) Conservative or traditional Catholic beliefs include worship of a God who punishes generations of humans for the failure of Adam. So punishing a child for a parent's sin is pretty consistent with that interpretation of Catholic belief.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

As unfortunate as such situations are, the Church's teaching on sexuality is clear. Any use of the sexual faculty outside of a sacramentally valid marriage is always and everywhere intrinsically sinful. As such, no Catholic institution has the right to cooperate with or endorse (even if only tacitly) any union in violation of the moral and natural law. (To do so would constitute scandal which is itself a sin). Thus the school in question was correct in its decision. No one has an inherent right to the services of a Catholic institution. Especially those who are obstinate in public mortal sin.

Fundamentally, the Church's mission is to bring as many souls as possible to Christ by the sacraments and the teaching of those truths necessary for salvation. The mere fact that someone is inconvenienced by the Church's adherence to moral truth is in no way a degeneration of compassion. True compassion never compromises on truth. (Something many in the Church have forgotten, or choose to ignore). True compassion is in the Sacrament of Penance, wherein those who seek the reject their sins and start anew can do so.

It is not compassionate to cooperate with lifestyles which if held on to obstinately will damn the soul. And that truth doesn't go away simply because Catholics find themselves in a culture that is hostile to Christian morals.

The sins are the parents, not the childs.
Does that make a difference in your mind?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Why would a homosexual couple want to enroll their child in a school ran by a homophobic institution in the first place?

Because they're Catholic?
I'm not defending it, it really makes little sense to me, but I know a LOT of people whose lifestyle doesn't fit with Catholic doctrine, yet they'll defend the Church despite not seeing their own actions as sinful.

 

[Revoltingest]

The sins are the parents, not the childs.
Does that make a difference in your mind?

That should be....
"The sins are the parents', not the child's."
Do not trigger me again!

 

[GoodbyeDave]

I can't see why people who don't accept the teachings of a religious organisation would want their children educated by it. If I were a parent, I wouldn't want them taught Christianity — or atheism, for that matter!

As for the school, would you expect them to accept the child of a Muslim family, or of a parent who published attacks on the church?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

As unfortunate as such situations are, the Church's teaching on sexuality is clear. Any use of the sexual faculty outside of a sacramentally valid marriage is always and everywhere intrinsically sinful. As such, no Catholic institution has the right to cooperate with or endorse (even if only tacitly) any union in violation of the moral and natural law. (To do so would constitute scandal which is itself a sin). Thus the school in question was correct in its decision. No one has an inherent right to the services of a Catholic institution. Especially those who are obstinate in public mortal sin.

Fundamentally, the Church's mission is to bring as many souls as possible to Christ by the sacraments and the teaching of those truths necessary for salvation. The mere fact that someone is inconvenienced by the Church's adherence to moral truth is in no way a degeneration of compassion. True compassion never compromises on truth. (Something many in the Church have forgotten, or choose to ignore). True compassion is in the Sacrament of Penance, wherein those who seek the reject their sins and start anew can do so.

It is not compassionate to cooperate with lifestyles which if held on to obstinately will damn the soul. And that truth doesn't go away simply because Catholics find themselves in a culture that is hostile to Christian morals.

Then they need to turn away the very wealthy (that's a sin, too), the unmarried, the divorced, non-Christians, people cheating on taxes, etc. Otherwise this is just straight up bigotry towards gays and lesbians.