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Catholic Church is more Biblical than Protestantism!

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Please keep in mind, that nobody at RF can actually prove that I share the views of the handsome young brilliant man in this YouTube video!
The man in the video is also NOT saying that absolutely every Protestant believes what he says when he says "Protestants say XYZ"...

I just found this YouTube online, I found it very brilliant, thoughtful, ingenious, clever, powerful, and thought I would share. I'm not saying I agree with it entirely. ;)

In the end, I don't think there is a religion on the world that is biblical. They are all unbiblical to some extent.

But the Catholic church is hands down the most biblical religion there is. I can make a very good point as to why!
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Please keep in mind, that nobody at RF can actually prove that I share the views of the handsome young brilliant man in this YouTube video!
The man in the video is not also saying that absolutely every Protestant believes what he says when he says "Protestants say XYZ"...

I just found this YouTube online, I found it very brilliant and thought I would share. I'm not saying I agree with it entirely. ;)

In the end, I don't think there is a religion on the world that is biblical. They are all unbiblical to some extent.

But the Catholic church is hands down the most biblical religion there is. I can make a very good point as to why!

Isn't that you in the video?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Please keep in mind, that nobody at RF can actually prove that I share the views of the handsome young brilliant man in this YouTube video!
The man in the video is also NOT saying that absolutely every Protestant believes what he says when he says "Protestants say XYZ"...

I just found this YouTube online, I found it very brilliant, thoughtful, ingenious, clever, powerful, and thought I would share. I'm not saying I agree with it entirely. ;)

In the end, I don't think there is a religion on the world that is biblical. They are all unbiblical to some extent.

But the Catholic church is hands down the most biblical religion there is. I can make a very good point as to why!

Thank God!

It's about time folks started folks started letting go of biblical authority.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Please keep in mind, that nobody at RF can actually prove that I share the views of the handsome young brilliant man in this YouTube video!
The man in the video is also NOT saying that absolutely every Protestant believes what he says when he says "Protestants say XYZ"...

I just found this YouTube online, I found it very brilliant, thoughtful, ingenious, clever, powerful, and thought I would share. I'm not saying I agree with it entirely. ;)

In the end, I don't think there is a religion on the world that is biblical. They are all unbiblical to some extent.

But the Catholic church is hands down the most biblical religion there is. I can make a very good point as to why!
You "found" your own video and you agree with most of it? That's great. :D

Personally I don't think I care if you say Mary is mother of God. I mean Jesus was literally God manifest so he needed a mother and God chose her because she was so humble. Where I draw the line is when you pray to Mary and worship Mary. The rosy and all that. Also the idea that she is somehow an eternal virgin. I mean come on. Makes you feel sorry for Joseph if that's true. He had to marry a eternal virgin ... poor guy.

She was just a girl that God used for the glory of God and salvation of mankind and she was a great person; but she's not some kind of deity.

It's not good to worship anyone but God.

As for the "gates of hell shall not prevail against her". He means the church as a whole not necessarily the church that is in Rome. Because no individual church should ever think they're invulnerable. That would be pride and God is against that. The fact is the scriptures say if you think you stand take heed lest you fall. Because we should all be watching for the encroachment of sin and praying lest we enter into temptation. Otherwise the Son of man will come and take your candlestick from your church like he warned in the book of Revelation.

In the book of Revelation Jesus Christ addresses 7 different churches in Asia Minor with warnings or approval. So I don't see the church in Rome as being somehow special and invulnerable from the very same temptations. Sorry. It's just not true. Even if Peter was the bishop of Rome; after he was gone then all bets are off. Anything could happen. Yes God will always preserve a remnant the "true church" throughout history but nothing says it had to be always in Rome.

  • And Paul said that after he is gone he knows that grievous wolves would come in among the churches not sparing the flock.
  • He also warns of the coming of false apostles. (2 Corinthians 11:13)
  • Jesus warns to take heed of the leaven of the Pharisees. This means that no Christian should ever think they are immune to falling into that category.
  • Jesus said to know them by their fruits. Well, since you know a bit of history you should know that no "Christian" organization ever did more murdering and slaughter of innocent people than the Roman Catholic church. Some others did do some of that; but not on the same scale that the RCC did. What with their crusades against the Cathars and others. Their constant inquisitions and torturing so called "heretics" and Jews. According to Jesus Christ it is Satan that is a murderer and his children do the same things. So you tell me who is the sons of the murderer Satan and not the sons of God. Know them by their fruits. Don't just blindly follow people because they say they are the Catholic church.

The fact is we know that Rome itself murdered many Christians in 68 AD and at other times before Constantine became emperor. And secondly we know for sure that the Roman Catholic church continued to murder people just like the Roman empire did after Constantine. So like mother like daughter! The Roman Catholic church used political power of the Roman empire and later on the political military might of European medieval kings to expand it's own influence and control throughout the world. It literally would force other churches to submit to it's authority by force of government and force of arms. It was not displaying the love and patience of Jesus Christ.

To be honest it seems to have been often largely motivated by worldly lust for power and greed.

That being said I'm not putting down all Catholics. I believe many were sincere and not murderers. In fact many died as martyrs all over the world in missionary journeys. Tortured to death in very exemplary fashion for any Christian. Like by the native Americans, the Japanese etc. These Catholic missionaries definitely have my respect for all they endured.

Basically, it's the leadership that I don't like. The corrupt, rich, fat decadent bishops and popes. The kind of people you would never see being tortured to death on some missionary journey. Instead they were enjoying caviar or something in their castles and palaces while their indentured peasants worked their butts off in the fields. Many of these bishops lived like very kings in the middle ages and lorded it over the very people that were supposed to be their flocks.

Also the child molesters and those priests who were raping nuns ... I'm not a fan.

But there were many exemplary people that were Catholics.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
You "found" your own video and you agree with most of it? That's great. :D

Personally I don't think I care if you say Mary is mother of God. I mean Jesus was literally God manifest so he needed a mother and God chose her because she was so humble. Where I draw the line is when you pray to Mary and worship Mary. The rosy and all that. Also the idea that she is somehow an eternal virgin. I mean come on. Makes you feel sorry for Joseph if that's true. He had to marry a eternal virgin ... poor guy.

She was just a girl that God used for the glory of God and salvation of mankind and she was a great person; but she's not some kind of deity.

It's not good to worship anyone but God.

As for the "gates of hell shall not prevail against her". He means the church as a whole not necessarily the church that is in Rome. Because no individual church should ever think they're invulnerable. That would be pride and God is against that. The fact is the scriptures say if you think you stand take heed lest you fall. Because we should all be watching for the encroachment of sin and praying lest we enter into temptation. Otherwise the Son of man will come and take your candlestick from your church like he warned in the book of Revelation.

In the book of Revelation Jesus Christ addresses 7 different churches in Asia Minor with warnings or approval. So I don't see the church in Rome as being somehow special and invulnerable from the very same temptations. Sorry. It's just not true. Even if Peter was the bishop of Rome; after he was gone then all bets are off. Anything could happen. Yes God will always preserve a remnant the "true church" throughout history but nothing says it had to be always in Rome.

  • And Paul said that after he is gone he knows that grievous wolves would come in among the churches not sparing the flock.
  • He also warns of the coming of false apostles. (2 Corinthians 11:13)
  • Jesus warns to take heed of the leaven of the Pharisees. This means that no Christian should ever think they are immune to falling into that category.
  • Jesus said to know them by their fruits. Well, since you know a bit of history you should know that no "Christian" organization ever did more murdering and slaughter of innocent people than the Roman Catholic church. Some others did do some of that; but not on the same scale that the RCC did. What with their crusades against the Cathars and others. Their constant inquisitions and torturing so called "heretics" and Jews. According to Jesus Christ it is Satan that is a murderer and his children do the same things. So you tell me who is the sons of the murderer Satan and not the sons of God. Know them by their fruits. Don't just blindly follow people because they say they are the Catholic church.

The fact is we know that Rome itself murdered many Christians in 68 AD and at other times before Constantine became emperor. And secondly we know for sure that the Roman Catholic church continued to murder people just like the Roman empire did after Constantine. So like mother like daughter! The Roman Catholic church used political power of the Roman empire and later on the political military might of European medieval kings to expand it's own influence and control throughout the world. It literally would force other churches to submit to it's authority by force of government and force of arms. It was not displaying the love and patience of Jesus Christ.

To be honest it seems to have been often largely motivated by worldly lust for power and greed.

That being said I'm not putting down all Catholics. I believe many were sincere and not murderers. In fact many died as martyrs all over the world in missionary journeys. Tortured to death in very exemplary fashion for any Christian. Like by the native Americans, the Japanese etc. These Catholic missionaries definitely have my respect for all they endured.

Basically, it's the leadership that I don't like. The corrupt, rich, fat decadent bishops and popes. The kind of people you would never see being tortured to death on some missionary journey. Instead they were enjoying caviar or something in their castles and palaces while their indentured peasants worked their butts off in the fields. Many of these bishops lived like very kings in the middle ages and lorded it over the very people that were supposed to be their flocks.

Also the child molesters and those priests who were raping nuns ... I'm not a fan.

But there were many exemplary people that were Catholics.
The Church is made up of sinners. Much of the corruption and scandal you mentioned per Capita is actually worse in Protestant Churches, it's just with every Protestant Church being a tiny fraction of what Catholicism is, it has fewer incidents, because Catholic Church greatly dwarfs the size of any Protestant Church. So, with far more numbers of sinners belonging to any institution, there will be far more scandal

That doesn't make Catholic Dogma bad.

More money can be made with lawsuits against the Catholic Church than Protestantism.

The media has more reason to bash the Church, because the Church is more of a threat regarding issues like divorce, gay rights, abortion, fornication, adultery, and so much more influential than Protestant Churches, it stirs up more propaganda from people who hate Catholicism.

People for gay marriage, abortion, fornication, porn, adultery, secularization, and various vices the Scriptures call "sin", have far more reason to hate the Catholic Church (over any Protestant Churches.) This is because the Catholic Church is stronger, a much greater organized threat.

There are many lies told about the Catholic Church as well.

The bad things Catholics do get far more media coverage than Protestants doing the same things or worse things.

Also, the Catholic Church says not to worship anyone other than God. Looks like they agree with you on that. ;) Adoration belongs to God alone is the teaching of the Catechism.

But Mary is considered a friend in high places with the Saints who prays for us and can be invoked for a blessing and maternal nurturing, not worship! ;)
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Please keep in mind, that nobody at RF can actually prove that I share the views of the handsome young brilliant man in this YouTube video!
The man in the video is also NOT saying that absolutely every Protestant believes what he says when he says "Protestants say XYZ"...

I just found this YouTube online, I found it very brilliant, thoughtful, ingenious, clever, powerful, and thought I would share. I'm not saying I agree with it entirely. ;)

In the end, I don't think there is a religion on the world that is biblical. They are all unbiblical to some extent.

But the Catholic church is hands down the most biblical religion there is. I can make a very good point as to why!
By the way you actually look like a Catholic priest. You've got the black shirt and the white mask on your neck looks like the white collar they wear. :p
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm just gonna be VERY brief.
As for the "gates of hell shall not prevail against her". He means the church as a whole not necessarily the church that is in Rome.
Jesus created an organization made up of himself and the Twelve, and at no point did he submit to just let anyone lead the "one body" as Paul referred to the Church.

In the book of Revelation Jesus Christ addresses 7 different churches in Asia Minor with warnings or approval.
Those are local churches, not independents as Paul refers to when he referred to the Church as being "one body".

And Paul said that after he is gone he knows that grievous wolves would come in among the churches not sparing the flock.
Do you believe Jesus told the truth when he said he would guide his Church until the end of times and would send a Paraclete to help guide the Church?

Well, since you know a bit of history you should know that no "Christian" organization ever did more murdering and slaughter of innocent people than the Roman Catholic church. Some others did do some of that; but not on the same scale that the RCC did
The Church was and is by far the largest, and if you do some studying of the history of Protestants, you would know that most also did much the same historically. BTW, I grew up in a Protestant church but left it in my mid-20's.

The corrupt, rich, fat decadent bishops and popes.
There's no "corrupt, rich, fat decadent" found in Protestant or other denominations or religions?

Also the child molesters and those priests who were raping nuns ... I'm not a fan.
Many nuns and priests were raped and/or killed by Protestants during the Protestant Reformation and afterward.

Now, what I am NOT doing is in ANY way trying to defend and/or excuse the many atrocities done by Catholic clergy and congregants. Also, please do remember that even with the Apostles and others in the 1st century Church also used poor and/or immoral judgement.

The important thing is for the Church to acknowledge its faults and our faults, which it we do at every mass and in its teachings, and also then to try and make certain these problems don't get repeated.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
By the way you actually look like a Catholic priest. You've got the black shirt and the white mask on your neck looks like the white collar they wear. :p
Why thank goodness! I am flattered! :D

But what the hell in God's name does a Catholic priest look like??o_Oo_O


Also everyone, to clarify, not all of Protestantism is Unbiblical. Much of what plenty of Protestants believe is very Biblical. But denying Mary as "Mother of God", denying the teaching authority of the Church, using the Bible as a final authority on faith, morals, and Theological truth, and the Sola Scriptural Doctrine, that is the very basis and foundation for Protestantism, is extremely UNBIBLICAL!

The denial of the Catholic teaching about the Eucharist being literally the body and blood of Christ, is the normal general rule , and accepted belief of almost all Protestants. That is simply highly unbiblical, contradicts every Gospel, contradicts every last supper account,
and Jesus even made it clear such teaching leads people to be spiritually bankrupt, have no life in them. Scripture makes it clear that the teaching on the Eucharist is extremely important vital teaching of Christ.

Jesus lost followers for the first time over that teaching. He didn't call them back to say he wasn't speaking literally. He repeated himself to say he was speaking literally! So yes, Catholicism is more Biblical than Protestantism!
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Please keep in mind, that nobody at RF can actually prove that I share the views of the handsome young brilliant man in this YouTube video!
The man in the video is also NOT saying that absolutely every Protestant believes what he says when he says "Protestants say XYZ"...

I just found this YouTube online, I found it very brilliant, thoughtful, ingenious, clever, powerful, and thought I would share. I'm not saying I agree with it entirely. ;)

In the end, I don't think there is a religion on the world that is biblical. They are all unbiblical to some extent.

But the Catholic church is hands down the most biblical religion there is. I can make a very good point as to why!

A church that believes in tradition as equal to the Bible. It doesn't sound reasonable to me.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
By the way you actually look like a Catholic priest. You've got the black shirt and the white mask on your neck looks like the white collar they wear. :p

Forgive me mother for I have sinned but like A girl I once knew I can say there are things I wouldn't even tell my mother.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
A church that believes in tradition as equal to the Bible. It doesn't sound reasonable to me.

Tradition and Scripture together make up the Deposit of Faith.
Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit.”42
Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching.”43
83 The Tradition here in question comes from the apostles and hands on what they received from Jesus' teaching and example and what they learned from the Holy Spirit. the first generation of Christians did not yet have a written New Testament, and the New Testament itself demonstrates the process of living Tradition. CCC
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
A church that believes in tradition as equal to the Bible. It doesn't sound reasonable to me.
Keep in mind that for over 300 years, the Church had no New Testament. Where do you think a Christian in 50 CE got their teachings from regarding teh life of Jesus? They got it from the presbyters and bishops of the church, who were given that teaching authority by the apostles. Look, I'm not a Christian. It doesn't make any difference to me what Christians think their authority is. BUT I like for history to be truthfully presented, and quite honestly, the whole Catholic claim that the church has authority (and teh bible as part of the church's authority) gels with history, and the protestant claim of sola scriptura does not.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Keep in mind that for over 300 years, the Church had no New Testament. Where do you think a Christian in 50 CE got their teachings from regarding teh life of Jesus? They got it from the presbyters and bishops of the church, who were given that teaching authority by the apostles. Look, I'm not a Christian. It doesn't make any difference to me what Christians think their authority is. BUT I like for history to be truthfully presented, and quite honestly, the whole Catholic claim that the church has authority (and teh bible as part of the church's authority) gels with history, and the protestant claim of sola scriptura does not.
That is great to see coming from a non Christian. :)
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
No, it doesn't. Between the two, scripture takes priority and tradition is considered a supplement.

I believe that but the fact is that tradition is not more biblical than the Bible. Since reform theology sticks to the Bible then it is more Biblical because it does not have the baggage of tradition.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Tradition and Scripture together make up the Deposit of Faith.
Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit.”42
Tradition transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching.”43
83 The Tradition here in question comes from the apostles and hands on what they received from Jesus' teaching and example and what they learned from the Holy Spirit. the first generation of Christians did not yet have a written New Testament, and the New Testament itself demonstrates the process of living Tradition. CCC

I believe many traditions are false and contrary to the Bible. Sorting them out would be a difficult task at best. I believe protestant scholars don't ignore tradition but they do want to hold it up to scrutiny in comparison with what the Bible says.
 
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