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Featured Catholic Abuse Scandal was Primarily Homosexual

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  1. Callisto

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    It's common to try and equate homosexuality with clergy's abuse of children. However, both male and female minors have been abused by clergy, it's just that the majority of victims are male. This makes sense when you think about their access to children, as altar boys have always been the norm. The Vatican only allowed for altar girls in the mid-1990s. When you consider how many decades (centuries, no doubt) this abuse dates back, it's clear this is a contributing factor of convenience.

    It's not solely a matter of homosexuality nor even primarily so, and arguably not at all in various cases. If it was simply about homosexuality the priests could satisfy themselves with each other instead of diddling kids and no one would be the wiser. This is primarily hebephilia (abuse of pubescent children) and ephebophilia (abuse of teens) and some pedophilia (prepubescent). This involves the desire to have power over a sexual victim and, certainly, in decades past, this was easy to achieve. It was the norm to never question a priest, they were assumed above reproach. Adults would believe "a man of the cloth" over a child's protestations, which only embolden them.
     
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    Who is refusing to look at facts now?
     
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    Since the final report says no such thing as is clear from reading it here
    Catholic Abuse Scandal was Primarily Homosexual
    Your OP is nothing but false, hateful propaganda. Repugnant lies, not truth.
     
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    It's not a homosexual scandal. Homosexual males don't have interest in nor sex with females of any age. Per your own quote "Eighty percent of the alleged victims were male" which means, by that account, 20% of victims are female. That's heterosexual sexual abuse.

    While technically pedophilia is the sexual abuse of prepubescent minors, in common parlance it's used to generally refer to any all cases of abuse upon minors regardless of age. Even so, the fact remains clergy are guilty of diddling children of various ages, if you want to be specific that's hebephilia (abuse of pubescent children) and ephebophilia (abuse of teens), in addition to some pedophilia (prepubescent). Either way, it's adults who committed sexual abuse upon minors of various age groups. Regardless of terminology, it's immoral and illegal.
     
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    We aren't ignoring it. We're explaining that other environmental factors affect that number, which I outlined for you. You're trying to paint it as just a function of gayness. It isn't. Studies outside Catholicism have shown that gay people are no more likely to abuse children than straight people. So when you see a weird disproportionate number of people of one sex being abused more than the other, it should make you question what other factors are at play.
     
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    The bigotry against the Catholic Church is rampant on these boards.

    I don't plan to sugar coat the truth.

    Thanks for your advice.
     
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    That's an excuse.

    For a Catholic priests, any sexual activity is an abuse of their oaths and their faith.
     
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    This means if this was about homosexuality the number would be 100%. Gay males have no interest in females and yet 30% of victims were not boys. Ergo...
     
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    Let's all end accusations of bigotry & lying.
    Rules have been bent, & perhaps broken.
    No one wants The Man to lock the thread
    or bloody some knuckles.
    So keep it civil, guys.
     
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    70% teen boys, about 15% male children.

    Agreed, it is not 100% homosexual.
     
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    Facts are stubborn. Sorry.
     
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    Delusions are also stubborn. I hope you recover.
     
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    Admittedly, I've been harsh on the Catholic Church because of its sex abuse scandal, but I don't consider fair criticism of its sex abuse scandal to be bigotry. I think your continual use of the word is your way of attempting to silence those who criticize your church.
     
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    You have yet to present any facts.
     
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    Facts ≠ bigotry. Nor is the Catholic church the only religion in which this abuse occurs. The shameful lack of remorse and shell-game style behavior of reassigning criminal clergy to new parishes to start their attacks anew on fresh, unsuspecting victims is the fault of the Church. Had it policed its own and reported abusers to law enforcement instead of acting outside the law, this wouldn't have been a widespread crisis. Church leadership is to blame for the fallout, no one else.
     
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    Well, at least you've admitted that the Catholic church has a problem with predator priests, and you've recognized it as shameful enough that you feel the need to look for a scapegoat.

    I'll count that as progress... even with your ridiculous ideas about who to scapegoat.

    BTW: all the complicit bishops who suppressed abuse reports and shuffled predator priests around from unsuspecting parish to unsuspecting parish... do you think they were all gay, too?
     
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    Mention has been made of the prison environment, but a similar thing occurs when children are abused in the home environment, and where the larger numbers who abuse (can't remember exact) have been deemed not to be paedophiles but simply sexual abusers, given they don't have the orientation that most paedophiles exhibit and the children are usually abused because they are 'available' and the abuser has issues that cause them to abuse.
     
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    There's no excuse for child abuse. What we can do is try to understand why it happens and in what contexts it happens. Clearly it's not "a homosexual problem," because we know from social science research that gays are not more likely than straights to abuse children. So something more is going on in these cases. Other factors are at play. More than one has already been explained.
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    That's not what I am seeing.
     
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