I thought it was a rumor. I hope those quotes are all made up, because that is damning. It would be better if we had floggings and hangings.
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CA's new pro-LGBTQ+ inmate law
- Thread starter PoetPhilosopher
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Excuse you?
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
It's very much "survival of the fittest" in prison from what I hear and there are a lot of social rules (or lack thereof). For example, if someone starts a fight with you in prison, even if you think you'll lose, you're expected to land a few strong hits on the other guy or they'll think you're a chicken and mess with you all the time. Sorry if saying this is a bit too PG13 for the forum, I'm describing about prison rather than my personal beliefs.
It's not a rumor.
A bunch of guys get locked up together without any women. They're criminals, generally, with little regard for other people's "feelings". Sex happens.
Who do you think gets it?
Tom
PoetPhilosopher
Veteran Member
Another worry besides rape is the resulting STDs. Also, prison isn't the cleanest, so be careful if say, you accidentally cut your leg. You could get an infection.
I have a long and checkered past. I've known people who did serious time.
You're putting it mildly.
Imagine being an 18y/o doing a year for drug dealing, put in a population with murderers doing 30-life. And those guys haven't even seen a woman in 15 years.
You either become as hardened as they are or spend your term putting out.
Tom
The taxpayers can't afford that!
Do you remember what Trump's TeaParty stands for?
Taxed Enough Already Party
Why would those people pay any more to coddle criminals? Are you insane, or a socialist?
Or worse? A Christian?!
Tom
Long, long ago, I performed in a play called "Fortune and Men's Eyes" by John Herbert (his real name was Jack Brundage - I played a gay character named Mona). One of the things I learned from knowing Jack is that rape in prison actually happens -- and the gender of the person being raped is not all that important.
I honestly can't figure out what we, as a society, ought to do about all the varieties of sexuality available -- what organs does everybody have, how do they feel about those organs (own them, like them, hate them want them removed).
Funny, I used to be so sure about how I felt about a lot of stuff -- but I honestly can't wrap my mind around all of the permutations possible!
And now I'm going to get in trouble by asking a question that I think should be obvious -- "how many people we talking about here?"
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
If they dont have a record of being treated they lack the evidence to support their claim. Interviews and exams, as would be expected of anyone else needed special accommodation for medical purposes.
I see the same "man in a dress" concern. This is definitely a case of "show, don't tell" or their claim is unsubstantiated.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Not many. Transgender people overall a very small percentage of the population.
Most likely charges, however, would be involving drugs and prostitution (other crimes happen, but not nearly as often).
Fair question. What is not a fair question is how many rapes would be an acceptable number?
I don't know of the prison system but it seems odd that this would be a problem. It's enough of a problem they felt it necessary to pass this law. I don't have a problem with the law as much as the need for the law in the first place.
Seems a little barbaric that society has allowed this to go on for this long.
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappen...s-he-was-too-ashamed-to-tell-anyone-1.4936744
Apparently our will to murder is less powerful than our will to protect ourselves. The soul breaks to preserve the body.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
What? That's like separating the blacks from the whites or, to be even harsher (which is how I feel it is), separating the Jews from the Nazi in their own camps with stars on their chest.
Segregation is not the answer. Sex segregation is done for security purposes. One's identity, class, orientation, etc ideally would be irrelevant in a prison setting but in reality, some traits are triggers for violence than others.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Yes, you want to talk about triggers? Just wait til someone with a vagina ends up in a prison with a bubch of men. You can be sure that will trigger something.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Are you sure the problem is actually the genitals?
I'm totally with ya there buddy.
I don't want to make anybody's life unnecessarily difficult. "Do whatever, but leave me out of it". But that gets a difficult row to hoe when you're combining hitherto unknown gender identities with the cut-rate prison system designed more for vengeance than rehab or anything like that.
There's lots of people in this Christian Nation I live in who are fine with convicts suffering in prison. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time!
And besides, U.S. prisons are a lot better than most. Compare them to any other third world nation and you'll see how good our convicts have it.
Tom
Tom
I hope this leads to increased mental health and safety for all prisoners. I'm not sure if it will or not. Mental health of prisoners is a major problem here in Australia and I can only assume it's at least as problematic in the US.
It seems in the US there is too much laissez faire on this issue.