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Carbon Taxes.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Socialist money grab.

Typical proposal and not unexpected at all.

Wonder what slush fund this is going to be earmarked for?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Socialist money grab.

Typical proposal and not unexpected at all.

Wonder what slush fund this is going to be earmarked for?
You really can't be this clueless. Do you understand that call it what you will, climate change, global warming, whatever, that it is a human caused problem that will affect everyone negatively?
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
I'd favor a carbon tax if this were used to fund a green new deal for Earth and Mars, and if most industrialized nations were active participants of this deal.

There should be no worries about high levels of atmospheric CH4 and C02 due to industrialization or overpopulation, because these greenhouse gases could be sent away to Mars where they'd transform Mars into a warmer planet; this methane and carbon dioxide would help transform Mars into a way more comfortable place for sustaining life from Earth. Any excessive levels of these green house gases could simply be transported via the Space X interplanetary transport system from Earth to Mars.

The first step towards forming a man-made biosphere that is an appreciable fraction in size comparable to Earth's biosphere around Mars as well as on the surface of Mars ( terraforrming ) is the deployment of a magnetic shield that protects Mars against the solar wind stripping of its atmosphere. This magnetic shielding would subsequently allow the planet's atmosphere to reacquire its former density that'd be high enough to allow for sustainable surface liquid water.

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Reference: https://phys.org/news/2017-03-nasa-magne...phere.html

An effective artificial magnetosphere placed at Langrangian point 1 from Mars is very achievable with foreseeable technology. This magnetic shielding apparatus could weigh less than a few hundred tonnes which is within the load capacity of a big Falcon 9 rocket. I'm guessing the cost of protecting the Martian atmosphere with an artificial magnetosphere would probably be similar to the cost of a small nuclear reactor.

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In addition to CH4 (methane) and C02 (carbon dioxide), some few billion tonnes of sulfur hexafluoride gas (SF6) could increase Martian atmospheric surface temperatures by over 20 degrees Celsius. Sulfur hexafluoride - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The SpaceX interplanetary transport system could deliver this super greenhouse gas to Mars at a cost of less than $2,000/kg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Mar...astructure

A few hundred thousand tonnes of SF6 delivered annually to Mars would cost just approximately $500 billion yearly. This is less than a fraction of a percent of the global economic output value. An accumulation of a few billion tonnes of SF6 at an annual rate of a few hundred thousand tonnes would take less than ten thousand years. The annual cost of less than $100 per person per year on Earth would be totally worth transforming Mars into a world with triple its current atmospheric pressure and a warmer Mars with average surface temperatures greater than typical summer Antarctic temperatures.

The forming a man-made biosphere that is an appreciable fraction in size comparable to Earth's biosphere around Mars as well as on the surface of Mars ( terraforrming ) would create many high tech jobs, and save planet Earth by way of transferring away its harmful global warming green house gases to Mars where these gases would be beneficial as they'd contribute to forming a man-made biosphere that is an appreciable fraction in size comparble to Earth's biosphere. This project ( terraforming ) to make Mars a better place for human colonization there should be dubbed the "Green New Deal for Earth and Mars". I'd favor the "Green New Deal for Earth and Mars" instead of the Green New Deal that'd only be focused on Earth.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
I didn't know where to post this, but this is a must see video, if only for Bill Nye the science guy's contribution:


I just watched that bit-- Brilliant!

Bill Nye was EPIC. I loved it. "Safety glasses off, mother--"

LMAO!

I was also amused and sad at the CONservitive LIES. Why do these people think that lying works?

Oh! Because all of their base is gullible? So long as the lies come from their Magic Gurus?

*sigh*
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You really can't be this clueless. Do you understand that call it what you will, climate change, global warming, whatever, that it is a human caused problem that will affect everyone negatively?
It still doesn't negate whatsoever that it is yet another money grab attempt.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I'd favor a carbon tax if this were used to fund a green new deal for Earth and Mars, and if most industrialized nations were active participants of this deal.

There should be no worries about high levels of atmospheric CH4 and C02 due to industrialization or overpopulation, because these greenhouse gases could be sent away to Mars where they'd transform Mars into a warmer planet; this methane and carbon dioxide would help transform Mars into a way more comfortable place for sustaining life from Earth. Any excessive levels of these green house gases could simply be transported via the Space X interplanetary transport system from Earth to Mars.

The first step towards forming a man-made biosphere that is an appreciable fraction in size comparable to Earth's biosphere around Mars as well as on the surface of Mars ( terraforrming ) is the deployment of a magnetic shield that protects Mars against the solar wind stripping of its atmosphere. This magnetic shielding would subsequently allow the planet's atmosphere to reacquire its former density that'd be high enough to allow for sustainable surface liquid water.

gallery-1488399162-screen-shot-2017-03-01-at-31220-pm.png



Reference: https://phys.org/news/2017-03-nasa-magne...phere.html

An effective artificial magnetosphere placed at Langrangian point 1 from Mars is very achievable with foreseeable technology. This magnetic shielding apparatus could weigh less than a few hundred tonnes which is within the load capacity of a big Falcon 9 rocket. I'm guessing the cost of protecting the Martian atmosphere with an artificial magnetosphere would probably be similar to the cost of a small nuclear reactor.

1*mPYNE8ApyVjSFKErEM2aGg@2x.jpeg



In addition to CH4 (methane) and C02 (carbon dioxide), some few billion tonnes of sulfur hexafluoride gas (SF6) could increase Martian atmospheric surface temperatures by over 20 degrees Celsius. Sulfur hexafluoride - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The SpaceX interplanetary transport system could deliver this super greenhouse gas to Mars at a cost of less than $2,000/kg.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Mar...astructure

A few hundred thousand tonnes of SF6 delivered annually to Mars would cost just approximately $500 billion yearly. This is less than a fraction of a percent of the global economic output value. An accumulation of a few billion tonnes of SF6 at an annual rate of a few hundred thousand tonnes would take less than ten thousand years. The annual cost of less than $100 per person per year on Earth would be totally worth transforming Mars into a world with triple its current atmospheric pressure and a warmer Mars with average surface temperatures greater than typical summer Antarctic temperatures.

The forming a man-made biosphere that is an appreciable fraction in size comparable to Earth's biosphere around Mars as well as on the surface of Mars ( terraforrming ) would create many high tech jobs, and save planet Earth by way of transferring away its harmful global warming green house gases to Mars where these gases would be beneficial as they'd contribute to forming a man-made biosphere that is an appreciable fraction in size comparble to Earth's biosphere. This project ( terraforming ) to make Mars a better place for human colonization there should be dubbed the "Green New Deal for Earth and Mars". I'd favor the "Green New Deal for Earth and Mars" instead of the Green New Deal that'd only be focused on Earth.

"Simply" she said.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I just watched that bit-- Brilliant!

Bill Nye was EPIC. I loved it. "Safety glasses off, mother--"

LMAO!

I was also amused and sad at the CONservitive LIES. Why do these people think that lying works?

Oh! Because all of their base is gullible? So long as the lies come from their Magic Gurus?

*sigh*

Lies work goodly well on the "libs", and especially
their minions, sycophants, fellow travelers and
of course, the has-beens, ne'er do wells, hoary
debtors*, etc.

*see "student debt forgiveness".
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Carbon taxes. The secular form of Indulgences. If you have the money, it doesn't matter <cough, Al Gore, cough>. Only the little guy gets screwed.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
How is the Canadian system a money grab attempt?
Oh they been dressing it up as something wonderful and great. All I see is more poor Canadians with even less money in their pockets now.

Perhaps thats a precursor of things that could possibly come over here in the states.

It's all the Socialist left does anyways. Canadian or American.

Tax

Spend

Regulate

Control.

It's all they know how to do.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's hard to be a money grab when you give the money back to the people. ;)
Are you suggesting they're going to grab it away first instead of just keeping in people's pockets where it originally belonged?

I know. It'll be just resting in their accounts for a bit before they move it along..
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Are you suggesting they're going to grab it away first instead of just keeping in people's pockets where it originally belonged?

I know. It'll be just resting in their accounts for a bit before they move it along..
What makes you think it belongs in people's pockets? If you make a mess are you not responsible for its clean up?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Oh they been dressing it up as something wonderful and great. All I see is more poor Canadians with even less money in their pockets now.

Perhaps thats a precursor of things that could possibly come over here in the states.

It's all the Socialist left does anyways. Canadian or American.

Tax

Spend

Regulate

Control.

It's all they know how to do.
They are trying to control the harmful behavior of people. But where is the spending?
 
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