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Can't Run....Can't Hide

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Thief, Jun 28, 2016.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    so God is all knowing.....all seeing....omnipresent...
    a lot of people think so

    what is that is more so in the next life?
    you can't hide your thoughts or feelings

    up for that?
     
  2. columbus

    columbus yawn <ignore> yawn

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    I would love nothing better than for an omnimax benevolent god to find me. And I am easy to find.

    However, He never expresses the least interest in doing so. Sending a bunch of humans with implausible stories and primitive ethics and self aggrandizing theology is not at all the same thing.
    Tom
     
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  3. ThePainefulTruth

    ThePainefulTruth Romantic-Cynic

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    It wouldn't be more so if God is already omni-stuff.

    In any case, the whole point of this test would seem to be to determine who could live with the Truth (my definition of God)? I mean "hiding" from the Truth is just another form of lying isn't it? In fact, that's how I envision judgement, nobody being able to lie when faced with reruns of their life, bathed in the light of Truth.. We judge ourselves. If we can't stand it, we hit the oblivion button.
     
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  4. lewisnotmiller

    lewisnotmiller Grand Hat
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    A God who is all seeing doesn't scare me half as much as a bunch of humans who think they speak for him...
     
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  5. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist My baby niece

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    I think it makes god less of a mystery and someone I'd like to get to know. When I make a friend, one of many benefits is getting to know that person as she gets to know herself. We are both growing within each other's being, no one person more better than the other. When you have an imbalance of character, one supposed "ruined human" and the other supposed "perfect god" then the knowing is more of a want/need rather than something that happens naturally because you see on the same level.

    So, I don't don't feel its good that he knows everything in the next life no more than this life. Given my thoughts and feelings aren't hidden from him; I see no reason why and how he'd want to get to know even if I wanted to get to know him.

    The all-knowing thing just doesn't add up in how I see things.
     
  6. Aiviu

    Aiviu Active Member

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    A directors cut of our life:
    - Removing of scenes which were we were untrue despite we loved in them
    - Erasing actors who were untrue despite they loved us.

    Anesthesia:
    - Mentally stunned by a peaceful love which eases our mind.

    Objective:
    - Determine our remaining mental age after the cuts. The smallest consciousness are the children where the mind is eased to the max.
     
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    I don't see a problem having Him knowing my thoughts in the after life since I can do whatever I want if I go to Heaven. However, in my beliefs nothing indicates that He will specifically look at my thoughts in the next life. He said he knows it all now in this life. Perhaps if I ask for it then, He would respect my request.
     
  8. Riverwolf

    Riverwolf Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
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    Can't run or hide?

    Okay. Then I fight. I'm quite stubborn. XD
     
  9. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    isn't that?....how one third of heaven fell
    just a story I know but it fits to the ills we suffer here on earth

    As large as the universe is.....I do doubt location at all points at all times
    maybe you can hide

    could that last forever?
     
  10. columbus

    columbus yawn <ignore> yawn

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    I don't believe you.
    I don't believe that any puny human, confronted by the reality of The Divine, would resist.

    At most, you might demonstrate a form of mental illness that an omnimax benevolent God could fix more easily than He changed some water into wine or parted the Red Sea.

    Your wienie rebellion against The Ground of Being would last like a snowflake on the sun. And God already knows why you are the way you are. He's expecting you. He made you and the world you live in and everything you think you know.

    Pshaw... "I'll fight!". No you won't.
    And frankly, God is not scared of you.
    Tom
     
  11. Sees

    Sees Dragonslayer

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    Reminds me of Anchorman 2 - "Stop reading my mind!!!"

    I wouldn't adjust anything, personally.
     
  12. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Why would I mind or care if a God has access to my thoughts and feelings?

    It is not like I have anything to hide or any reason to want to run.
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    but have you not made a consistent denial?
    if He can see the reasoning ....and you somehow stand well??????

    I suppose you and God might work out your differences.
     
  14. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    I never needed any denial. Refusal to lie was ever plenty enough.

    Everything is possible until disproven, I suppose.
     
  15. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    so all of religion is a lie..........?
     
  16. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Hardly. But presumptions that everyone is a theist "deep down" are just silly.
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    so....when the Almighty meets with you and the possibility of denial is behind you.....

    everything well gel just fine
    and your past postings and positions will mean nothing to the pending discussion?
     
  18. columbus

    columbus yawn <ignore> yawn

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    I avoid the word lie in this context.
    Fiction is more appropriate, usually.
    Tom
     
  19. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    You must have failed to notice when I said that I never needed denial.

    There is simply no point in worrying about such a scenario. To the degree I even discuss it, it is for your benefit.
     
  20. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    ah...but fiction has it's root in reality

    I love science fiction
    Star Trek has sooooo many .....meet the Greater Entity scenarios
     
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