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******** can't get into heaven?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Jaymes, Jan 31, 2005.

  1. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Can someone explain this verse and if it still applies today? Sorry I can't type more; I just jammed my finger and typing causes spectacular pain.
     
  2. Ceridwen018

    Ceridwen018 Well-Known Member

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    Looks like my dad is out of luck! (Ba-da, Pish!) :rolleyes:

    Seriously though, I second Jensa's inquiry. Even if this rule doesn't still apply today, what was it's purpose back then?
     
  3. Circle_One

    Circle_One Well-Known Member

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    Well, that would suck for my son, if we believed in going to heaven.
     
  4. Unedited

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    Shucks, there goes my chances.

    I'd think it would apply today, but that might be an opinion thing.
     
  5. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    As painful as it may be to some, the fact of the matter is that often the text means just what it says.
     
  6. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Is 'congregation' used to mean 'heaven' or 'church'?
     
  7. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    It means the temple.
     
  8. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    Would not allowing them into the temple also not allow them into heaven?
     
  9. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    That's certainly a reasonable inference, but 'heaven' is a later concept.
     
  10. Druidus

    Druidus Keeper of the Grove

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    Hmm... Does not the bible say "Punish not the child for the mistakes of the father."? Of course, the child has no father, but I would assume that it works the same for the mother. ;)
     
  11. t3gah

    t3gah Well-Known Member

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    Jensa,

    What bible is that verse from?
     
  12. huajiro

    huajiro Well-Known Member

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    I knew it!!!!

    Man, us ******** get short changed on everything.:149:

    If I ever see my Dad:areyoucra
     
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  13. No*s

    No*s Captain Obvious

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    In Christianity? No, not really. Judaism no longer has a Tabernacle, so I don't see how it could. The closest thing in Orthodoxy, is that each Church is considered a "Temple," and only those ordained to the priesthood may enter the altar.

    I doubt it, but like Deut. said, "heaven" isn't exactly a major consideration yet.

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    There are some exceptions to mine such as alterboys.
     
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  14. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    I looked up the verse on www.bible.com. I believe the default Bible for the search engine is the KJV.
     
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    ILLEGITIMATE​







    At Deuteronomy 23:2 the Law reads: "No illegitimate son may come into the congregation of Jehovah. Even to the tenth generation none of his may come into the congregation of Jehovah." The number ten represents completeness; thus "the tenth" generation would mean that such ones could never come into the congregation. The same law is stated regarding the Ammonite and the Moabite, and there the words are added, "to time indefinite," which makes the point clear. However, the Ammonite and Moabite were precluded, not, as some say, because their forefathers were born of incest, but because of the attitude they showed toward Israel when that nation was on its journey toward the Promised Land.—De 23:3-6; ​

    Fornication, adultery, and incest are detestable to Jehovah. Under the Law the adulterer and the incestuous one were to be put to death, and none of the daughters of Israel were to become prostitutes. (Le 18:6, 29; 19:29; 20:10; De 23:17) Furthermore, it would cause confusion and a breakdown of the family arrangement for the illegitimate son to inherit; he could have no inheritance in Israel.​


    In the Christian Greek Scriptures, the word no´thos (‘illegitimate child,’ NW; ‘*******,’ KJ, Int) is used once, at Hebrews 12:8. As shown by the context, the writer likens God to a father who disciplines his son out of love. The writer therefore says, "If you are without the discipline of which all have become partakers, you are really illegitimate children, and not sons." Those claiming to be spiritual sons of God but practicing sin and disobedience are cut off from the congregation of God and do not receive the discipline that God gives his legitimate sons to bring them to perfection.

     
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  16. t3gah

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    Well done, may.
     
  17. painted wolf

    painted wolf Grey Muzzle

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    gotta' love a god that punishes the 10 generations of sons for the sins of the father.:sarcastic
    Isn't that going a bit overbord?
    so hypothecially my Great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, grandfather had an affair and now I can't get into heaven?
    How would I eavan know such a terrible sin has been commited? Thats hundreds of years ago.:bonk:

    wa:do
     
  18. Scuba Pete

    Scuba Pete Le plongeur avec attitude...

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    Given the scenario of the laws... they were effectively under marshal law and running around the desert. God promised them that if they KEPT to these laws that they would have "None of these deseases". These may seem HARSH to us, but they were intended to keep Israel intact during their wanderings.

    Obviously, they seemed to have made it. Chalk another one up for God.

    Fortunately, for Christians, all of these laws were lifted. Many try to return to this legalistic heritage and such, but that is a corruption of what Grace is all about.

    I must say, that until such time as you get to guide an entire nation through the wilderness for so long, providing them with all the sustenance they need and hearing them WHINE constantly, you might not see things in the same way God does. They say hindsight is 20/20, but that is extremely generous. We are far more myopic than we would care to admit.
     
  19. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Absolute rubbish. To quote NetDoc: "No matter how many eons of "tradition" pass by, we can still see where people just want to add words to God's mouth."
     
  20. hoomer

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    and the temple of God is the human body

    "the temple not built with hands" (shhh its heresy I speak of!)
     
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