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Cannot Inherit what you own

Discussion in 'Christianity in General DIR' started by Iymus, Aug 20, 2020.

  1. Iymus

    Iymus Active Member

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    "If G is capitalized in God then that means is always a reference to the God of Abraham himself." I've always been beat over the head with this; And any reference or translation with the Son and God "capitalized" together, must mean the Son is the God of Abraham himself.

    An example is in John 20:28 which is seemingly always taken out of context. "Thomas called Jesus my God and God is capitalized so Jesus must be the God of Abraham", is what proponents will say and still say up to this day.

    However is this always the case 100% of the time in reference to God capitalized? In Psa 82:8 God is capitalized however can the God of Abraham being the Possessor of Heaven and Earth inherit what he already owns?

    Conventional wisdom is you cannot inherit what you already own; Food for thought

    Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    punctuation quiz?

    I use capital letters when the item refers to a Person
     
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  3. Iymus

    Iymus Active Member

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    If asking me why one of the gods is referred to as O God; I would say it is out of respect and assumption of command
     
  4. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    That's why they are not the same 'God.' Although, and this is very important, they are 'one.' They're still not the same. -- God. Are they different as in twins that have different personalities and looks perhaps? Or a father and a child that loves him and takes after him? No. But maybe some day you'll get it. :) Question: do you pray?
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    It doesn't matter any more. The Word was with God and was -- God, a god, it no longer really matters. :) Everything came about BY the Word of God. T-h-e W-o-r-d of G-o-d. And the Word was with God. And most translations say the Word WAS God. (God in what sense, but anyway, I'l leave that alone now.)
    Again, you are leaving a whole lot up to translators to form your opinion as to which God is which. Or who is who. Think of the nation of Israel. They had very close contact with God by means of Moses and their deliverance. Yet they strayed and rebelled and disobeyed again and again, not even listening to the prophets. So what do you detect from that? Did they listen? Did they understand?
     
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    YoursTrue We know gravity by happenstance. (Newton)

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    I might even agree with you there. Although -- the context can be described as something other than what many trinitarians would take it as.
     
  7. Deeje

    Deeje Avid Bible Student
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    It also depends on which translation you use.....
    Psalm 82:8....

    NASB..."Arise, O God, judge the earth!
    For it is You who possesses all the nations."


    Holman..."Rise up, God, judge the earth,
    for all the nations belong to You."


    TLB..."Stand up, O God, and judge the earth. For all of it belongs to you. All nations are in your hands."

    NET..."Rise up, O God, and execute judgment on the earth!
    For you own all the nations."


    NWT..."Rise up, O God, and judge the earth,
    For all the nations belong to you."


    It makes more sense to render this verse as these translations have because its true...you can't inherit what you already own. :)
     
  8. Iymus

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    Not sure if relevant to OP but it is one of the best questions I have been asked on this platform. Not nearly enough as I should be.

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    Scholars capitalized one of the gods or referenced one of the gods as O God for a reason but that does not mean this child of God is God; but that God loves him thru his obedience as he has judged him worthy to be glorified as himself and judge the earth . That's how it seems

    Psa 82:1 A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

    Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    Psa 82:8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

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    in every translation I have seen, one of the sons of God is being referenced as God or O God for a reason; We should be able to see from verse 1 and 6, along with conventional wisdom that God or O God mentioned in verse 8, is not the God of Abraham and his descendants, but one of his children judged and glorified as himself.

    which is why I named this post "Cannot inherit what you own"
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    Gen 14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

    Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
     
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    This raises an interesting question...when there are "gods" mentioned in the scriptures, it is usually those who either have divine authority, or those who put themselves forward as "gods" in competition with God (e.g satan is called a "god" in 2 Corinthians 4:4.) These are not "gods" in the same way as Jehovah is God, (even though satan wants to be seen as one who deserves our worship) but the humans are authorized by Jehovah to carry out their roles.....angels...human judges...even Jesus Christ himself is a 'god' in that sense, which is why John 1:1 calls him a "god".

    Reading Psalm 82 in its entirety we see what is meant....

    "A melody of Aʹsaph.

    God takes his place in the divine assembly;
    In the middle of the gods he judges:


    2 “How long will you continue to judge with injustice
    And show partiality to the wicked? (Selah)

    3 Defend* the lowly and the fatherless.

    Render justice to the helpless and destitute.

    4 Rescue the lowly and the poor;
    Save them out of the hand of the wicked.”

    5 They do not know, nor do they understand;
    They are walking about in darkness;
    All the foundations of the earth are being shaken.

    6 “I have said, ‘You are gods,
    All of you are sons of the Most High.

    7 But you will die just as men do;
    And like any other prince you will fall!’”

    8 Rise up, O God, and judge the earth,
    For all the nations belong to you."


    The same Psalm in the Jewish Tanakh adds to our understanding I believe...

    "A song of Asaph.

    God stands in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He will judge.
    2 How long will you judge unjustly and favor the wicked forever?
    3 Judge the poor and orphan; justify the humble and the impoverished.
    4 Release the poor and the needy; save [them] from the hands of [the] wicked.
    5 They did not know and they do not understand [that] they will walk in darkness; all the foundations of the earth will totter.
    6 I said, "You are angelic creatures, and all of you are angels of the Most High.
    7 Indeed, as man, you will die, and as one of the princes, you will fall.
    8 Arise, O God, judge the earth, for You inherit all the nations."


    You can see how the Jews interpret this Psalm.

    Jesus made reference to these "gods" (human judges in Israel) in John 10:34-35 by quoting this Psalm.
    That argument of Jesus proves he did not claim to be God. (Reading it in Greek proves this) Had he claimed to be the Almighty, (ho theos, "THE GOD") then the Jews would have been justified in stoning him for blasphemy. But Jesus argues that he claimed to be less than God (theos, just a "god", the "son of God").....so to prove this, Jesus quoted Psalm 82.

    In this psalm the Most High God speaks to the unjust judges on earth, mere men, and calls them “gods,” or elohím in the Hebrew, and he tells them to correct their legal practice. Because those judges failed in their duty, so it became necessary for the Most High God to arise and judge the peoples of the earth. Their being called “gods” will not save these judges; neither will their considering themselves to be “sons of the Most High” or 'sons of God'. (Matthew 3:9)

    But how then does does God "inherit" all nations if they are his to begin with? This requires an understanding of why he needs to do that? How did he lose them in the first place, and in what way does he receive them back as his inheritance? It is key to understand the role of the Christ here. (1 Corinthians 15:24-28)

    Paul also wrote that...."...there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords”. (1 Corinthians 8:5)

    So understanding who and what these "gods" are is vital....None of them refer to "the only true God", Jehovah (Yahweh YHWH) (John 17:3) according to my studies.
     
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    yea but you don't get it, God is coming to dwell in the earth hence world if you will. which isn't at this time isn't it.

    you don't understand that God is a Spirit and we are God's place in the earth and our purpose is to execute God's Judgement in the earth, and God's Judgement is Life. any other judgment of what is good or evil results otherwise also known as death.

    hence what happened in the garden. and we received the condemned life Adam and Eve had when born into the world do to their own judgement. but if you notice the Gospel is about receiving eternal life. restoration to the Life Adam and Eve had before they went by their own judgement and ate of the tree. and that restoration of that Life to the faithful is what its about.

    everything else is irrelevant reason being who can be against the Almighty God? no one then therefore those that think themselves opposed are only opposed to themselves and shall receive according to their own judgement which is not God's Judgement. God doesn't have to kill you, you kill yourselves with your own judgement.
     
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    Eph 4:6

    Joh 4:23 -24
     
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