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Can you prove Islam is true or false? How?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Lorgar-Aurelian, Apr 7, 2017.

  1. Lorgar-Aurelian

    Lorgar-Aurelian Active Member

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    I've gotten so tired of not hearing arguments from muslims when I talk to them. Or at least arguments that aren't just straight up propaganda that anyone with eyes could easily see through so here. Please Muslims try to demonstrate that Islam is true .

    Don't just say "Muhammad was such a good guy." Whether or not we like Muhammad is irrelevant to his message being true. Please present arguments , they don't have to be 100% non spiritual either.
     
  2. Theweirdtophat

    Theweirdtophat Well-Known Member

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    Why do you ask questions with no answer to them? No one here can prove it, and even if they could, you wouldn't believe it anyway because you don't like Islam

    There is always some truth in religions, including Islam and others. Historical truth as well. I think some things are exaggerated though. But no one has proof here. If they did, we wouldn't ask the question of "can you prove it is true?"
     
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  3. FearGod

    FearGod Freedom Of Mind

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    Why we need to? check it yourself and you're free to accept or reject it.
     
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  4. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    Next, you should ask classrooms full of 7 year old girls to prove that unicorns exist.
     
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  5. MD

    MD qualiaphile

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    What an Islamophobic statement! You should lose your job and soon will be thrown in jail for such comments! Vote Liberal!
     
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  6. arthra

    arthra Baha'i

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    Not a Muslim myself but as a Baha'i I learned to appreciate the context from which my Faith emerged ...

    Islam has a long history and influence on civilization in the world... I've found for myself that studying the Qur'an is a fascinating learning experience and recommend reading it and learning some Arabic.

    Of course I was a student of history when in school. One of my favorite writers was Washington Irving who travelled to Spain and wrote "the Alhambra" as well as "Muhammad and His Successors" ...
     
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  7. JustWondering

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    Unfortunately most religions don't have anything to do with reason, logic and evidence. People typically hold religous beliefs because they were brainwashed since childhood to believe in one invisible magical entity or another. Just as their parents before them, and their parents before them, and so on, and so on...
     
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  8. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    That is only universally true if you carefully build your definition of religion in order to make it true, unfortunately.

    You may be unaware of how wild the spread of religious beliefs actually is. There are cargo cults, for instance. And believe me, there are quite a few religions-to-be that are at least indistinguishable from actual pathological delusions.

    Not that any of that relates to Islaam, which is not a religion in the first place, mind you.
     
  9. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    If only we were so lucky...

    Islaam is not "true' even by its own parameters, but it is a theistic and proselitist doctrine.

    And there is this nasty fact about proselitist theism: it can't really help but pressure people into either submitting to it or rejecting it.

    Which is to say, its whole point is to deny this freedom that you speak of.
     
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  10. Theweirdtophat

    Theweirdtophat Well-Known Member

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    There are some that are just fake. But who are you to say what's a religion and what isn't?

    One needs to look at the history behind Islam, not just Islam itself. When one does it they find out more. There's the talk that that it was all spread by the sword and completely ignore the other countries that willingly adopted Islam and were not forced into it.
     
  11. InvestigateTruth

    InvestigateTruth Well-Known Member

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    So if no body can prove it is true, does it mean it is a false religion?
    Or if it is a true religion from God, does it mean, ordinary people would be able to prove it to other ordinary people?
    The thing is, the Quran is the proof to some, and it is not proof to others.

    However, no body could prove Islam is a false religion. Right?
     
  12. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    How, if at all, do you tell a fake apart from a delusionary doctrine?

    As it turns out, I am exactly what I would have to be: a person.

    With all due respect, I don't think you have paid the matter a lot of attention.
     
  13. psychoslice

    psychoslice Veteran Member

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    For me personally all religions are false, they are like sign post, pointing you to whatever direction, without spiritual discernment you will never find the truth, and this is why religion has caused so much misery, many believe they have the truth when in fact they don't and hence they fight over it.
     
  14. idav

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    I will ask the archangel Gabriel tonight if that was him visiting Muhammad in some cave.
     
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  15. 1AOA1

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    Islam itself doesn't use naturalistic definitions. What you find in materialism is the naturalistic perception of Islam, or Islam according to materialism.
     
  16. Sakeenah

    Sakeenah Well-Known Member

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    I'm not here to argue or demonstrate that Islam is true.
    I'm here to try to understand ideas that are different from mine.I try to answer questions on Islam and muslims.
    But I don't really take part in " proof yourself threads".
    There's an american islamic institute dedicated to clear misconceptions, they post research papers on their website. If you really want to understand muslim arguments you can read those and email them your questions. https://yaqeeninstitute.org/
     
  17. psychoslice

    psychoslice Veteran Member

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    I personally believe Islam itself proves itself wrong, the actions of a religion is the proof of its teachings and love for humanity.
     
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