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Featured Can we remove the dogma from science?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, Apr 4, 2017.

  1. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    Please
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    Accusing Science of being dogmatic?
     
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    BSM1 Have you seen the remote?

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    Yeah. What gives?
     
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    There is no dogma in science. That is literally the entire point of the scientific method. It is based solely on evidence, not dogma. Religious belief, such as belief that the Quran is the word of God, is dogmatic, as it must be taken on faith that Muhammad was 100% being honest.
     
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    Well, to be fair, scientists are people, with the usual human foibles. They've been known to be more wedded to their theories than evidence would warrant.
    But, on the whole, I'd have to agree with Leibowde. The whole system is designed to avoid dogma and track the evidence.
     
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    A Greased Scotsman THIS is a sword. And it's bigger than yours!

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    Can we remove the irony from paarsurrey?
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member

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    The dogma isn't in science, it's in people regardless of what we're doing.
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    What dogma?
    Specifically.
    Please.
    Thanks.
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    Tom
     
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    von bek Following the Wayfinder

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    And remove one of life's little pleasures for me? I should hope not!
     
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    RedDragon94 Seeking Truth

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    What is one of the doctrines of Science?
     
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    First lets remove the dogma from religion and here then would be more understanding of science.
     
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    Buy permanent press clothing.
     
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    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    Was this a rhetorical question?


    That was a rhetorical question.
     
  15. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    One may like to read:

    "Our goal is not to destroy Ted, but rather to keep its stage one that doesn’t promote dogmatism and provokes evolving thinking. We believe Ted, as an institution with so much influence and trust from its constituents has a duty to hear, acknowledge and respond to those same constituents.
    Join our growing list of scientists and academics, including Nobel Prize winning Physicist, Brian D. Josephson FRS, Emeritus Professor of Physics at University of Cambridge, in signing the petition calling for the Sheldrake lecture to be fully reinstated. If you are a PhD or MD and you care about scientific integrity and open science for all disciplines, click Petition & Recommendations to sign the petition."
    http://setsciencefree.org/
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    This article expresses the problem of hubris working against science. Science and the scientific method contains no dogma. Human beings, otoh, have a tendency to screw things up. That doesn't speak to any problems with dogma in science, it speaks to problems of inherent dogma in human minds.
     
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    Revoltingest Ignorant Atheist Capitalist Engineer Libertarian
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    This isn't always true.
    I specifically recall institutional resistance to the idea that bacteria cause ulcers.
    Scientists are only puny miserable humans, so there will at times be a culture
    reluctant to accept novel theories. Fortunately, the method is better than we are.
     
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    This proves the point that science does not have an issue with dogma. Scientific integrity demands that all voices be heard and scrutinized. No dogma there.

    It seems that your claim of dogma has nothing to do with science, but, instead, has to do with the dogma of certain individuals in the field. Scientists, like everyone else, are not perfect people.
     
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    That isn't an example of dogma in science. It is a problem with dogma in certain members of the field of science. As you say, scientists aren't perfect. And, as such, their resistance in this context does not present dogma in science itself. It merely shows their own dogma.
     
  20. paarsurrey

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    The same is true for the truthful religion.
    Regards