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Featured Can there ever be a just war?

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  1. Eddi

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    Question: Can there ever be a just war?

    Just War Theory says "Yes"

    And I agree with this!

    Just War Theory seeks to reconcile the fact that the taking of human life is not morally permissible with the fact that states have a duty to protect their citizens and other innocents, and to uphold justice and that sometimes this can only be done using violence - it shows us how it can be morally permissible to use force and violence if the aim is to protect innocent lives and uphold morality.

    Here are two links:

    There is Jus ad Bellum - the conditions under which the use of military violence is justified

    And there is Jus in Bello - how to conduct a war ethically, once it has started.

    I believe that the Allied war effort during World War II met the Jus ad Bellum criteria and also the Jus in Bello criteria - and that the AXIS war effort did not. Far from it.

    World War II was essentially a war of annihilation waged by the civilised world against a great evil which sought to dominate all other powers and commit genocide - the side who lost the fight would be annihilated

    And thankfully, NAZI Germany and its allies was destroyed

    I think this destruction was not only morally permissible but a moral duty

    So, in answer to the question: Yes. The Allied war-effort during World War II was.

    Do you agree? Or disagree?
     
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  2. Conscious thoughts

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    No, I do not see war as solution to anything in the world.
     
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  3. Eddi

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    But the thing is, there are other people out there who do

    Indeed there are some in the world to whom war is a good thing

    Are we to let such people walk all over us?
     
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    I speak only for my view on this topic. I am 100% against war, weapon, or military action
     
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  5. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I disagree.
    The end of the supreme authority on Earth the State, is to pursue the common good.
    Happiness. Everyone's.
    The common good can be achieved only by building a healthy society and health economy.
    A just economy.
    War brings nothing but economic disasters, deaths.
    A State can defend itself, if attacked.
    But it shall never start a war.
    Because compromise is always the lesser of two evils.
     
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  6. Eddi

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    Then in that case there is such a thing as a just war :D

    True, but some people cannot be reasoned with, and others actually like war
     
  7. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    I think WWII was justified in retrospect. I'm not sure how justified it would have been in 1939.

    At the start of the war, genocide really hadn't started yet. It was only later - 1940-41 when the Nazis decided to begin the Holocaust.
     
  8. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    That is not called war. It is called self-defense.:)
     
  9. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I told you...I am against any war.
    It is certain that all the wars of the 20th century were economic-like. Motivated by greed.
    Compromise is always the right thing to do.
     
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    No, defensive war is still war.
     
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  11. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    I am speaking of the case when a foreign country attacks your territory. Only.
     
  12. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Still a war.
     
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  13. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    I'm against planned war. I'm not against protecting oneself and country.

    For example, if you came to my house and tried to hurt me, I'm not against using weapons (if they are around) to protect myself. However, if I'm not in immediate danger, I'm not one to plan an attack against a person.
     
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  14. Eddi

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    And I'm pretty certain they weren't :D

    Although yes, many were...
     
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    Yes, I agree.
     
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    There is saying, do other what you want to be done to you. If other nation attacks, by doing so, they give permission for others to attack also. And in a way, if other nation crosses the border and collides with bullets, it is kind of their own fault, when they didn’t have any good reason to do so. This way I think war can be just in some cases. But, it would still be better to avoid it.
     
  17. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I agree war must be conducted time to time.
     
  18. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Yes I agree that WW2 was a just war, since it was a war of defense against entities that were dead set on taking over the world and enslaving other peoples.

    I would say that the war on terrorism, like ISIS, is essentially the same thing.
     
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  19. Eddi

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    The thing is though, the fact that fighting groups such as ISIS is just can be taken advantage of by the military/industrial complex, to cash in on it

    I think that the War on Terror has been caused more by the military/industrial complex than by notions of justice
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Reluctantly, I agree.
     
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