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Can the Messiah Marry Israel Before the Dross is Removed?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Nov 25, 2019.

  1. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Ezekiel 20 is about the Israelites, then their Exile (1st Temple), then the Jews, and their Exile (2nd Temple), to the Diaspora, and the Exile Among the Nations...

    Then in Ezekiel 21 is the coming war of Armageddon between Israel and Babylon (Iran).

    Ezekiel 22 is about the Pharisees made up Christianity's idol ('jesus'), and Rabbinic Judaism was sent out into the nations because they rejected Yeshua; Islam is from Petra originally, thus it was also part of Judah - thus they made up their own idols, and now fight against themselves as it says in Ezekiel 22:3.

    They 'shall be gathered' (Armageddon) into Jerusalem in Ezekiel 22:18-22, where the Quantum Holy Fire shall remove the Iniquity in a Day (Dross).

    The Messiah's coming in Ezekiel 34:23-24, Ezekiel 37:24-25, doesn't mention any war; it says God has removed the iniquity, to make an Everlasting Covenant with everyone.

    Is there anywhere that the Messiah comes before the Judgement to remove the Dross?

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  2. Good-Ole-Rebel

    Good-Ole-Rebel Well-Known Member

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    I would say first of all that Messiah will not be Israel's Husband. She will be the Churches Husband. The Father is in relationship to Israel as Husband. The Son is in relationship with the Church as Husband. The Son, The Messiah, will be King over Israel.

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  3. roberto

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    Israel has nothing to do with the whoring church as much as Yeshua has to do with jeshu/jesus.

    Correct and by Israel, I mean the tribes of Jacob.
     
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  4. roberto

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    People/dross still sin/transgress the law/instructions during the 1000year reign.
     
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    Sorry, but the whore has been Israel. (Hosea 2:1-13)

    The Church is never described as a whore. She is a chaste virgin. (2 Cor. 11;2)

    By Israel I mean also the 12 tribes of Jacob.

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  6. roberto

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    Emphasis on "has been" as in Hosea, I quite agree.

    Hos 8:12 I wrote for him the many things of my law; but they were regarded as a strange thing.
    Hos 9:17 My God will cast them away, because they did not listen to him; and they will be wanderers among the nations.

    But:

    Hos 2:14 “Therefore behold, I will allure her,
    and bring her into the wilderness,
    and speak tenderly to her.

    Hos 2:15 I will give her vineyards from there,
    and the valley of Achor for a door of hope;
    and she will respond there,
    as in the days of her youth,
    and as in the day when she came up out of the land of Egypt.

    Hos 2:16 It will be in that day,” says the LORD,
    “that you will call me ‘my husband,’
    and no longer call me ‘my master.’

    Hos 2:17 For I will take away the names of the Baals out of her mouth,
    and they will no longer be mentioned by name.

    Hos 2:19 I will betroth you to me forever.
    Yes, I will betroth you to me in righteousness, in justice, in loving kindness, and in compassion.

    Hos 2:20 I will even betroth you to me in faithfulness;
    and you shall know the LORD.

    Hos 2:23 I will sow her to me in the earth;
    and I will have mercy on her who had not obtained mercy;
    and I will tell those who were not my people, ‘You are my people;’
    and they will say, ‘My God!’”

    Please note:

    Hos 2:19 I will betroth you to me forever.

    Hos 3:5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king, and shall come with trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days.

     
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    Tyndale bible:

    Act 19:34 When they knewe ye he was a Iewe ther arose a shoute almost for the space of two houres of all men cryinge greate is Diana of the Ephesians.
    Act 19:35 When the toune clarcke had ceased the people he sayd: ye men of Ephesus what man is it that knoweth not how that the cite of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddas Diana and of ye ymage which came fro heven.
    Act 19:36 Seinge then yt no man sayth here agaynst ye ought to be content and to do nothinge rasshly:
    Act 19:37 For ye have brought hyther these me whiche are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of youre goddes.
    ct 19:37 For ye have brought hyther these me whiche are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of youre goddes.
     
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    Yes. And it may well be that the generation in Israel today will be that generation that returns back to God.

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  9. roberto

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    Good-Ole-Rebel, You should study the lost tribes of Israel to understand what Hosea is all about.
    These guys are still among the Nations.

    Adonai specifically states in the Tanakh that He will gather them from among the Nations in the end of days.

    The people of Netanyahu have a surprise coming.:)
     
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    There are still Jews among the nations, yes. The U.S. has many also. I agree with the Old Testament prophecies.

    As to the 'lost tribes', I believe all the tribes are presently 'lost' in that the Jews cannot identify which tribe they are from.

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  11. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    In the 'Last Days' (H319 H3117) is a specific terminology, that on a word search has these contexts:
    • Genesis 49:1 is the promise of Messianic Age expectations, where in 49:10 we wait for the Messiah, in Genesis 49:18 we wait for God's Salvation (Yeshua).
    • Numbers 24:14 is the promise the Messiah will bring us into the Land, whilst removing false religion.
    • Deuteronomy 4:30 is not to be distracted by other nations religions, as the Lord will return in Latter Days.
    • Deuteronomy 31:29 is that the Latter Generations will corrupt the Torah.
    • Isaiah 2:2 is when the Messiah reigns in Zion.
    • Jeremiah 17:11 explains how the sin of Judah will cause the Lord to come against them with Fire - if they won't listen.
    • Jeremiah 23:20 is that the Word is as a Fire, sent out throughout the Land to test the hearts.
    • Jeremiah 30:24 is after God removes the Curse, and all those who didn't accept it.
    • Jeremiah 48:47 Captivity of Moab (*).
    • Jeremiah 49:39 Captivity of Elam (Occult).
    • Ezekiel 38:8 is the Rabbinic Jews (Zechariah 12:4-6) have moved back to take Jerusalem by force before Armageddon.
    • Ezekiel 38:16 is the Rabbinic Jews claiming all the Land, before God removes them with Fire and Brimstone (Deuteronomy 29:19-27).
    • Daniel 10:14 Michael explains Latter Times prophecy to Daniel.
    • Hosea 3:5 is After when David is appointed.
    • Amos 4:2 the Lord shall create a hook to test the religious.
    • Amos 8:10 is saying the increase in Atheism is a sign, like how the ocean recedes before the storm (Day of Judgement on Israel).
    • Micah 4:1 is when the Messiah shall reign in Zion.
    Yeshu is a version of 'to save us' (ישׁו); it isn't swearing...

    jesus on the other hand can mean 'a grub that shall tear away' (יסס), and so in Isaiah 51:8 we have to understand the Testimony of Yehoshua (Isaiah 8:14-16) in the Synoptic Gospels Vs the made up Pharisee Christian Church (John, Paul, and Simon).

    Israel are those who accept all of the Marvellous Work of the Lord.

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
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    Searching on these words was a cool idea... Thanks for doing that :)
     
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  13. roberto

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    "....In the 'Last Days' .." => (cjb)(complete jewish bible)....> in the acharit-hayamim.

    "...Yeshu is a version of 'to save us' (ישׁו); it isn't swearing..." =>

    The Hebrew phrase yimakh shemo יִמַּח שְׁמוֹ "May his name be obliterated" is a curse placed after the name of particular enemies of the Jewish people.
    In Hebrew the abbreviation is (יש"ו) y-sh"u[11][12] The curse connects with examples of erasure of names in other cultures (damnatio memoriae).[13] It has been called "the classic Jewish curse."[14]
    Yimakh shemo - Wikipedia


    "...Israel are those who accept all of the Marvellous Work of the Lord...."

    Hmnnnnn
    ***> Israel are those that graft into the Olive tree with Yeshua as root of that tree.
    Those that craft into the tree are not called Christians but the are called Israelite s.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    It took me years of reading Isaiah 53:1, and God saying, "Go look it up!"...

    So eventually I learned what 'Precept' Upon 'Precept' (Isaiah 28:10-13) implied, and where the 'Rumour' Upon 'Rumour' (Isaiah 28:9-19..21, Ezekiel 7:26) takes place - when learning to study the method the prophets used.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  15. wizanda

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    Yehoshua ben Yoseph was King David returned (Psalms 89:19-21 = Isaiah 52:13-14 - Marred should be anointed); thus he clearly wasn't the enemy of the Flock.

    The Rabbi (Sanhedrin) were the real enemy as they chose to murder the Messiah (Zechariah 11), which caused the Curse of Moses to be placed on our people (Deuteronomy 28), and so then they've lied to people about it since then.

    The idolatrous shepherds who feed them self (Zechariah 11:15-17), rather than point to the Messiah (David - Yeshua - Zion), remain until the Messiah's Return (Ezekiel 34).
    Zechariah 8:6-8 only those who accept the Marvellous Work are included...

    The New Testament is created by God to test mankind; rejecting an exam, doesn't mean we pass it.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    The Messiah chose and was ordered by the Creator to commit suicide.
     
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    Islam is NOT from Petra.. You should probably start over with Ezekiel.
     
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