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Featured Can the Messiah be Proven by Exegesis?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Feb 22, 2019.

  1. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Understandably the world hasn't noticed some of the basics, like the Gospels are an IQ-Morality test; where the Synoptic Gospels are a series of patterns with a testimony to examine, and then the Gospel of John is deliberately made up to test people's discernment.

    Now since most have already failed in this world, and thus it isn't exactly fair to condemn ignorant people for not understanding the texts properly...

    Is it possible the Messiah by the knowledge given by God, can prove that the mechanisms, and understanding are legitimate based on the equations in the texts or do we just have to remove all the religious, whilst keeping the Godly?

    To be clear to all, this is literally Messianic prophecy, and religious forums could be a platform for world peace, if we rectify some of the comprehension issues; otherwise as prophesied WW3 is soon, and everyone won't survive.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    "Like understandably", "like the Gospels" "Like to be clear","like prophesied".
    Any chance that you could use this word less frequently?
     
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    I don't understand what you are saying.
     
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  4. WalterTrull

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    Dude, it's tongues.
     
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    LOLOL.. Maybe so.

    Exegesis is a critical explanation or interpretation of a text, particularly a religious text. Traditionally the term was used primarily for work with the Bible; however, in modern usage "biblical exegesis" is used for greater specificity to distinguish it from any other broader critical text explanation. Exegesis includes a wide range of critical disciplines: textual criticism is the investigation into the history and origins of the text, but exegesis may include the study of the historical and cultural backgrounds of the author, text, and original audience. Other analyses include classification of the type of literary genres presented in the text and analysis of grammatical and syntactical features in the text itself.

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  6. WalterTrull

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    Whew, like I said.
     
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  7. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Edited the post to remove most of the 'likes', and leave only the essentials; sorry it's a bad English habit.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  8. A Vestigial Mote

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    So, what do you think of someone like me, who believes The Bible to be outdated clap-trap intended to ensnare the more gullible among us? I feel it appeals to a base desire that people have to be able to assume there is some greater meaning to "life", and that they have an intrinsic/important part in it. It preys on that desire, and sets people up with superficial explanations for many things, and what appear to be empty promises for many others. And so - from this position, I don't feel that it is worth anything outside of some measure of literary merit for its prose and poetic verse. Do you think I am capable of "[noticing] some of the basics?" as you put it? Being completely honest - I believe that I am entirely incapable.

    I would admit to being ignorant in this particular realm of knowledge you're claiming is there to be had. Completely ignorant. But would you believe me if I told you that ignorance of the topics you're promoting here doesn't phase me in the slightest? In other words, I am not even sure I am capable of caring about this. I don't see the benefit of it to the "me" I know and experience on a day-to-day basis - and I would never, ever assume that there is an "afterlife" that I need to worry about. In other words, I don't feel that I could bring myself to waste what precious time I do have on Earth, in the only life/existence that I am actually guaranteed, reading up and studying a bunch of cryptic "tests" that some being who doesn't like to reveal itself has supposedly imposed on my life - even though I am given (to your point) only vague and literally insufficient clues to try and figure "the mystery" out. I can't think of much else that would be more useless to do with my time in this life.

    Seems like a really false dichotomy to me:
    1. Accept "The Messiah's" proof that a specific religious understanding is "legitimate"
    2. Remove religion, but still accept god.
    Where's the option for "ignore all of it because it all sounds an awful lot like falsehood?"

    "literally Messianic prophecy" - This is probably supposed to turn heads, make people stand up and take notice, etc. What if one believes there is no such thing as a "messiah?" That there never has been and never will need be? I'm all for world peace - but my mind simply isn't going to be able to rationalize the things you're trying to tell me. If you had a clear, well layed out plan and could demonstrate the efficacy of the plan's steps in some way, sure - let's all have a look. But based on what you've posited here, all you've got is "I'm right because I am right.", or even worse... "I am right because God." It's just not good enough. And, quite frankly, it shouldn't be good enough for anyone.
     
  9. Audie

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    It is easy to prove most anything, if you
    just change the meaning of "prove" enough.
     
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    Can the Messiah be Proven by Exegesis?

    Short answer; No.
     
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  11. WalterTrull

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    Don'tja just like hate peer pressure?
     
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  12. wizanda

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    There are parts of the Bible that are purposely made up to ensnare the gullible, and this is a test to see if they are willing to learn where...

    The levels of complexities someone can see in the Bible, depends on a person's wisdom, to how much they can gleam from it.
    We're inside a constructed reality, with a CPU (God Most High - El Elyon) who processes the whole thing at a quantum level...

    It has been foretold globally that there isn't any option in trying to create world peace, else soon we wipe ourselves out, and only those who actually are consistent, will be in the next version of reality.
    Beliefs are for people who don't mind making stuff up; deal with the facts and data...

    There is reason with exegesis to question, regardless if someone thinks all the religious texts globally are fabricated, and reality isn't mathematical.
    Religion isn't being removed; mankind is about to end in WW3, and after according to texts globally, we just keep the saints, not the religious people...

    Because many religious people are bigoted, and therefore often racists as well.

    The Messiah is prophesied globally i.e Kalki, Maitreya, Li Hong, Christ, Saoshyant, etc...

    Because people don't study the whole, they don't see it all says the same.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  13. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    I take the constructive criticism; even if the person just likes to pick fault.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  14. wizanda

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    Do you get that in Ezekiel 34, Jeremiah 23, the Messiah can be potentially seen fixing all the religious understandings globally, as the teachers currently are naive?

    Do you also get that if people haven't actually noticed, that John, Paul and Simon the stone (petros) were false, they're clearly not qualified to even speak on some of it; regardless if they have a university qualification?

    What was the long answer?

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  15. wizanda

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    Unfortunately that defeats the title of the thread, exegesis is to logically only have what the text states; not what people want to believe it as, which is then eisegesis.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Just for kicks - think about the "reality" you would describe if you were born 100 years ago instead. Do you think that God would have let you in on the word "quantum" and it's usage and meaning? What would you have been saying 100 years ago? Would you have had the same understanding that you do now? I honestly don't think you could have, especially since you claim to (supposedly):
    Can you see the conflict I am finding with these ideas? Facts and data about the quantum realm didn't exist historically - which means no one could have come to these levels of "understanding" that you supposedly now possess contemporarily - and yet you say it is all a "test" - implying that each person has a chance to pass/fail. If not all of us had the same study materials, then the "test" is rigged - at which point it makes the "teacher" a complete moron. Unless his intent was to force some people to fail - at which point the teacher is, instead, a jerk of the highest order. Maybe there's another option I'm not seeing here that would lead one to conclude that God is actually good at what you purport him to be doing?

    And yet you position "Religious Forums" as a possible spring-board to world peace in your OP. Again... can you see where someone might start to be unable to take you seriously with glaring contradictions and holes in your narrative like this?

    Just because there are vague enough "prophecies" within a subset of religions that can be superficially interpreted to point to the "same thing" does not, in any way, mean that they are "correct." The only thing that can prove them to be correct is time... which makes prophecy itself pretty much useless unless you already have an airtight track-record (I'm talking a "sun rises each morning" type of track-record) which none can even come close to laying claim to.
     
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  17. wizanda

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    Lets take it back a bit older for kicks; when Yeshua cites Isaiah the 'worm does not burn' (Mark 9:48, Isaiah 66:24), that is a quantum physics strand, which is the level a soul exists at...

    The 10 commandments are dimensional quantum physics (Jacob's Ladder) simplified into religious laws; yet the matrix that exists within their deeper meanings still shows.

    Adam means soil/red i.e matter, and Eve (Chavah) means the feminine Breath of Life...

    So quantum physics was known, people just didn't comprehend what they've been given; like they don't see John and Paul contradict Christ.
    It seems you have an eisegetical approach to the texts, where you've not read much of it, you've created ideas built on woolly religious people (added fluff that isn't there)...

    Then created an idea to the direction of the whole topic, before even questioning if the basics are logical.
    We're on the internet which is accessible by billions of people; if people were aware the Messiah was here, many would come to see if it made sense...

    It literally then takes people being realistic, which isn't likely as we should be well aware people are not logical; what is more likely is a few people will try to be rude, mankind will end, and prophecy will happen, yet at least some of us were consistent.
    That is an illogical standard, there is a possibility most of a religious text could be made up; yet still some of the prophetic material could be legit, the only way we can assess this is exegesis.
    Since you don't know if the prophecies are vague, you then can't know if they're happening, as most don't have the wisdom required to see it...

    Which is why I'm asking would people like to learn the wisdom required or should we just wait for humanities destruction soon in WW3.

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
  18. WalterTrull

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    Gotta hunch that's a revealed thing.
    You know, don't want to keep trying the Nimrod thing. Doesn't work and is very confusing.
     
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    As that was the purpose, and maybe not
    appropriate here, I will stay out.
     
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  20. wizanda

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    Personally got told Yeshua didn't go around saying, "I Am" when I was 5-6 years old (Luke 21:8, Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5), and at 22 that he came to set a Snare (Isaiah 8, Isaiah 28)...

    So yeah suppose we can say it is partially revealed, as been given the end results to the equations, and explaining the maths is our own algebra.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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