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Featured Can someone show me evidence outside the Bible that the Exodus actually happened?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by NewGuyOnTheBlock, Oct 21, 2021.

  1. DNB

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    Outside of watching a rather compelling documentary on the facticity of the event, I have not done much study in this regard in order to offer a comprehensive and balance argument on the matter.
    I believe that it was true, exactly as described in the Bible. For, this was the over-arching principle that God continuously used against the Israelites during their apostasies, defiant and irreverent behaviour. That is, right up to the southern Kingdom's expulsion from the land that God promised them during the time of the Exodus, He constantly reminded them of how evident both His power and love was displayed in this historical fact. And, that it was for this reason, what they witnessed with their eyes, that their sins were even more egregious than they would've been had not such an event occurred. Plus, before the Exodus happened, it was prophesied by Joseph (Genesis 50:24-25, Hebrews 11:22).

    In other words, had the Exodus not taken place, and all the events immediately leading up to it and shortly afterwards, then the entirety of the TaNaKh's veracity is put into question. And, not only the TaNaKh, but also the New Testament makes reference to the event: Stephen during his martyrdom, and Matthew prophesying in Matthew 2:15 how the Exodus event relates to Jesus' temporary sojourn in Egypt.
     
  2. BilliardsBall

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    Why would Israel be monotheist when about 10 Jews were there (Abraham's group) before the Exodus?
     
  3. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    ^ a claim proclaimed with religious fervor but zero evidence. Not much has changed in my absence. :D
     
  4. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Very glad to see you!!!

    I’ve been extremely concerned about your absence. I hope all is well with you and yours,
     
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  5. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Apart from Exodus, there is no other archaeological evidence that Israel was ever enslaved by Egypt. But why wouldn't Exodus itself be considered evidence?
     
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    Because none of the other events depicted in the Exodus myth are evidenced, either.
     
  7. Subduction Zone

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    Also because Exodus is the claim. It cannot be the evidence. It is like my claim that I bought a mint Harley Davidson motorcycle (you can name the year and model) for $20.00. My claim cannot be the evidence for my claim. It would be pure circular reasoning.
     
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  8. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I have found that most legends are based on fact. You have to look for the history encased by the fiction. Saying Troy didn't exist simply becaues teh Iliad is a myth was one of the stupidest things that modern scholars ever did.
     
  9. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I disagree with your analysis. Exodus is supposed to be a documentation of history. It is no different than any other ancient historical source.
     
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    It is true that most myths have factual components, but only to the degree that they serve the meaning of the myth. What matters to the purpose of the myth is the ideal it represents, not the factual validity of it's details. The truth of a myth is NOT RELATED to the factual validity of it's presentation.
     
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  11. Subduction Zone

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    What makes you think that it qualifies as "documentation of history"? And even so, one never takes one document alone. If one so called document is refuted by archaeology, history, and other documents it will be rightfully rejected. Exodus appears to have been written during the Babylonian exile. I do not see how that qualifies it as a historical document.

    And of course if you are going to claim that Moses wrote it then the fact that there was no Flood of Noah, no Garden of Eden, no Tower of Babel, pretty much rule him out as a reliable source.
     
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    That is true to an extent. But legend may have greatly altered the past. Some of the stories of the Old Testament are as accurate as Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.
     
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    Thank you. We are all well, and I am truly very sorry that my absence caused concern.
     
  14. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I agree
     
  15. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Exodus is simply orally transmitted history that was written down. As is usual with oral transmission, legend creeps in. But it is STILL primarily a historical document.
     
  16. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I do not think Moses wrote the Torah, nor am I a literalist. You are bringing these points up with the wrong person.
     
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