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Can someone show me evidence outside the Bible that the Exodus actually happened?

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Evidence for a literal reading of the King James version? No. But evidence that what we have today has been mythologized from real events? Yes.

Among other things, what version of the Bible? The Bible as read now speaks of the "Red" sea. A better translation is "Reed" sea. And there are other translations discussed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yam_Suph

There was an interesting paper a few years ago that a certain wind direction can "part" the reed sea and that's one possible explanation outside of a miracle for part of the story.

Other translations in the Wikipedia entry might indicate other things such as a big storm.

Beyond that, I'm not archeologist specialist in Egypt, but there are those who argue for a factual basis behind some of what is in the Bible. Israel in Egypt: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the Exodus Tradition - Oxford Scholarship

And even further, if we take the Bible story as that and not claim that it is literally true, there are apparently historical bases for what's there For you were (not) slaves in Egypt: The ancient memories behind the Exodus myth
 
BilliardsBall

BilliardsBall

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NewGuyOnTheBlock said:
It would be cool if you could convince me.
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Convince of you what?

Egypt had slaves who built monuments?

Egypt was so devastated by incidents that another nation took them over militarily?

Egypt warred against ancient Israel?

The Hebrew scriptures teach the Hebrews were strangers in Egypt?

I think you're asking about miracles, what would prove a miracle occurred, do you think?
 
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One other perpective, a Kabbalist one, takes the story from a spiritual perspective as metaphorical and symbolical:

The Torah is a historic tale about the exodus of the people of Israel from Egypt. But in fact, it unfolds man’s exit from a state of corporeal lowness, called Egypt, to his ascent to the state called The Land of Israel.

Moses, the author of the Torah, used a language named – The Language of the Branches. He used names of objects, feelings and actions of our world, but intended to point to objects in the spiritual world: supreme powers, secret forces, exits and entries of power, information and effects, including harmful ones. All that is portrayed as a historic tale about human development. In fact, human evolution corresponds to the Torah. The Torah describes a certain era in human development, but it actually refers to spiritual roots.

Rav Michael Laitman
 
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Clara Tea

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NewGuyOnTheBlock said:
It would be cool if you could convince me.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#Reliability_of_the_biblical_account

Wikipedia (exodus) says: "Mainstream scholarship no longer accepts the biblical Exodus account as history for a number of reasons." Then goes on to elaborate on those reasons.

Israel in Egypt: The Evidence for the Authenticity of the Exodus Tradition - Oxford Scholarship

The Oxford University article says that Egyptian history bears out the exodus story.

NOVA | The Bible's Buried Secrets | Moses and the Exodus | PBS

This website from the Public Broadcast Service discusses the reasons for believing that the exodus occurred.

https://denverseminary.edu/the-denver-journal-article/exodus-the-egyptian-evidence/

https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Evidence-Kevin-Sorbo-narrator/dp/B00Z9HS7TU
 
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Clara Tea

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KenS said:
I'm not sure why I would have to convince you...

Researching this we have about 50/50 google or "evidence of Exodus chariots found" and "evidence of Exodus chariots found is false".

I guess you get to choose which one you want to believe.
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We should also consider the credentials of the sources. Some sources might have an agenda.
 
Wandering Monk

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Let's see, according to the Bible, 600,000 MEN and their families came out of Egypt. That is about 2.5 million people. What do you suppose the entire population of Egypt was at that time?

And, also according to the Bible, virtually all adults who came out that day died in the wilderness. So, counting the wives, there should be over a million dead Hebrews scattered around the wilderness southeast and east of present day Israel. Where are their graves? Where are other signs of 2.5 million people camping in the wilderness, (broken pots and other discarded garbage etc.?)
 
Wandering Monk

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alypius said:
Could all artifacts have disappeared if they only had bio-degradable objects left on the surface of the desert 3800 years ago?
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So no clay pots, no metal tools or other metal objects? Absurd. Even wooden objects would be preserved in the arid climate there.

What about burials. Bible says only the children of those who came out, plus Joshua and Caleb entered the land, right?
 
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alypius

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Wandering Monk said:
So no clay pots, no metal tools or other metal objects? Absurd. Even wooden objects would be preserved in the arid climate there.

What about burials. Bible says only the children of those who came out, plus Joshua and Caleb entered the land, right?
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What proportion of that whole surface area have archeologists actually dug up?
 
Subduction Zone

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PureX said:
The 'exodus' did not happen as the story depicts. In fact, the Israelites were never enslaved by or in Egypt. But myths are not intended to be taken as factual. They are intended to be taken as story-lessons. So claiming a myth is not factual is as irrelevant as claiming they are.
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Yet many Jews and Christians believe that it is factual.
 
Subduction Zone

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alypius said:
What proportion of that whole surface area have archeologists actually dug up?
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Why do you think that they would have to do that? You would need to answer why they can find older and smaller movements of tribes and yet no evidence is to be found of this one. Sooner or later one must admit that it just does not exist.
 
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NewGuyOnTheBlock said:
It would be cool if you could convince me.
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Yes. Science did.

Human living with highest God states. Human owning DNA left. Left origin DNA.

Witnessed by human science. Natural science

Human holy first.

Science says where new technology was rebuilt Africa the origin family DNA travelled and was changed.

Science today says it nearly the same. First human parents for everyone owned the exact same DNA no matter what country they lived in. Or live in today.

Fallout in the nation varied.

Depends on the human study and how it is informed and themed. Yet it was the same advice. Human DNA genesis changed in every nation on earth.
 
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