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Can science disprove the existence of God?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Crypto2015, Oct 13, 2015.

  1. ArtieE

    ArtieE Well-Known Member

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    Abiogenesis is from molecules to life. Evolution is what happens to life. Here's a hint: Darwin's book was called The Origin of Species not The Origin of Life.
     
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    One way or another it all boils down to law, everything follows a pattern according to the law of the situation, without laws there is nothing.
    If there is a God did he create law or was God created by the law, does the law have its own law.
     
  3. Rapture Era

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    Really? Did you hear what you just said? How do you think evolution started? What did it evolve from? What was its starting point? This is the critical thinking evolutionists dont want to talk about because science is proving that molecules cannot evolve into life much less anything that can reproduce no matter how much time you throw at it. When you start throwing time at this like millions and billions of years, there is a whole different set of problems that make the case for evolution worse. So where does that leave evolution? Dead thats where. When are these people going to wake up to the fact that evolution of molecules to man not only never happened but its impossible to happen. The very "Science" they adhere to is revealing that it is not possible. If you want to separate abiogenesis people from evolutions, tell me what the evolutionist believes, how is it that this whole process started? It had to start from something right? How does abiogenesis not play a part in the evolution faith?
    Yes I know about the thiests who believe in evolution, thats another issue. Lets stick to this one for now. I am very interested in your answer(s):)
     
  4. ArtieE

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    The starting point of evolution is first life.
    That is because they are evolutionists and not "abiogenesists".
    An evolutionist believes that life evolved and that the evolution process started with first life.
    Because evolution doesn't even require abiogenesis. Evolution would work even if life came from outer space on a meteorite or was created by aliens or gods.
     
  5. Rapture Era

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    Great question! Lets ask him. Answer: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. True or false?
     
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    My dads word was law, was yours?
     
  7. Rapture Era

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    Artie Artie Artie, If evolution started from life, what started life? Anything coming through our atmosphere gets burned up. If something were to be on an asteroid or some rock it would be wiped out. "Evolution would work even if life came from outer space on a meteorite or was created by
    aliens or gods."
    Think this thing through to its logical conclusion. You say it would work so positively as fact. Please tell me how? All of this space aliens stuff is just a big ol guess (hypothesis) backed up with nothing but more hypothesis because they refuse to admit that an all powerful God like Jesus Christ created everything as mentioned above. So they have to reach anywhere they can to look for some other way! There is no other way Artie.
     
  8. Rapture Era

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    My question was, true of false?
     
  9. ArtieE

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    That has nothing to do with evolution. Ask those who believe in abiogenesis or panspermia or creation by gods or aliens.
    Chemicals formed on meteorites may have started life on Earth
     
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    Life has nothing to do with evolution? You just said it did! You are going around in circles here Artie:) I also love the secret words used by everyone who will not accept the God of the bibles account of creation and they are, "could have" "might have", in other words, we have no idea how it happened! The God of the bible is telling you how it happened! How is this possible? Cus He was there!
     
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    You have a serious problem. How life came to be has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution describes how it evolved not how it came to be.
    No he doesn't. The Bible says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Not "In the beginning I created the heavens and the earth".
     
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    Artie, you are willing to believe in aliens, asteroid and gods for the explanation of life on this planet. There is no definitive answer by any of them except this one written by the one who actually created everything we know to exist. If you have a better explanation please offer it, but for now read this and tell me if it makes good common sense to you.

    1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. 3Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

    6Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. 8God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.

    9Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.10God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. 11Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. 12The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. 13There was evening and there was morning, a third day.

    14Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; 15and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

    20Then God said, “Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.” 21God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 22God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23There was evening and there was morning, a fifth day.

    24Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind”; and it was so. 25God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

    26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;30and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. 31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
     
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    Then your question was not clear anough, do you want to go to the hebrew the greek , or something else.

    The problem that todays christians have is the lack of understanding, the greeks too, the problem that the jews had was the messing about with understanding carried out by their priests their keepers of God's word.

    For the Jew they had a midrash or the oral tradition that accompanied the written word, the written word was absent of vowelss and needed head knowledge to understand, a kind of shorthand, similarly the written words themselfs were more easily understood from the oral.

    When the word of God had become misused by His elected and trusted keepers of the word God made His word manifest in a son who in turn upset the church by airing the truth of the matter accussing the leaders of creating burdens, of being whitewashed tombs, clean on the outside but worm infested inside,

    Hence, when he was finaly brought down to the tomb by the self centered leaders God withdrew from the temple.

    The Father therefore is the law and nothing comes into being without the law, and only those who wish to continue in their own law deny it and make Jesus a son of David, however, choosing the wrong son and making an Absalom of him.
     
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    Never said I believe in any of them.
    It wasn't written by God. It says "Then God said" not "I said".
    Of course it doesn't make sense. SAB, Contradictions in Genesis
     
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    Whats you belief on origins Artie?
     
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    I have none. There's not enough evidence for any theory for me to believe it.
     
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    Darwin never witnessed a new species, only changes within a species. He has no clue about the origin of species, except a fanciful imagination.
     
  18. Rapture Era

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    So what happens to you when you die?
     
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    You are absolutely right!
     
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    Not enough evidence? As you read the Genesis account, do you not see overwhelming evidence around you? The evidence surrounds all of us from the depths of the oceans to the far reaches of space. You need more evidence?:eek:
     
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