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Can religion be logical?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Dream Angel, May 25, 2007.

  1. Ryan2065

    Ryan2065 Well-Known Member

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    BS in math here (a real degree, not a joke)
     
  2. Aqualung

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    Pfff. I said it way before him, just more incoherently. :cool:

    I'll be getting a BA in math.

    I wish I could get a BA in philosophy, too, but school is just too expensive.
     
  3. Ryan2065

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    Huh? Mormons do math?
    :angel2:
     
  4. adthelad

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    Scientology isn't based on faith!
     
  5. Ryan2065

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    Do you not believe a human is an immortal spiritual being?
     
  6. lunamoth

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    What Aqualung is calling 'faith' in a logical deduction is actually the base assumptions for the logical argument. It seems to me that calling this 'faith' is stretching the meaning of the word beyond a point where it is useful. But maybe that's just me. :shrug:
     
  7. adthelad

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    Well it depends on where you draw the line between fact and belief.

    By the everyday definition - I don't believe we are immortal spiritual beings - I KNOW IT.

    However if we're being very restrictive all I know for sure is that I have lived previous lives and not died when my body did.
     
  8. Ryan2065

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    And I know that you are wrong. If what you say is a fact and not a belief, you should be able to prove that I am wrong and you are right. I am pretty positive you cannot prove that you have lived previous lives and haven't died when your body did, therefore you believe this.
     
  9. logician

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    Any religion that believes in impossibilities by definition is not logical.
     
  10. Jayhawker Soule

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    Ah, the first tentative steps toward a circular argument.

    (By the way, your statement is trivially true only in the case of logical impossibilities.)
     
  11. Aqualung

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    :p Apparantly really well, at that.

    How so?

    Side note: "useful" is a product of the fact that everything must be taken on faith. We have to use things that are "useful" not "proven true". We can never operate from the standpoint of "proven true", but must always operate from the standpoint of "useful".
     
  12. Aqualung

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    True dat. Something may seem causally impossible, but that doesn't make it illogical.
     
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    From Skeptic's Dictionary
     
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  15. Aqualung

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    Okaaaay.... Perhaps you could post your own opinion as to what the problem is. I just don't care enough about the Skeptic's Dictionary to read that, but I would love to hear what YOU have to say.
     
  16. Comprehend

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    A degree in philosophy is a joke?

    I am curious to know why that is since I happen to have a degree in philosophy too and I seem to be doing ok with my joke degree. ;)
     
  17. Comprehend

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    mormons happen to be a highly educated population. thanks for all the compliments you have been passing out though. :rolleyes:
     
  18. rojse

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    No. I think that religion demands that it's followers leave such ideas as logic and science at home before heading off to church for prayer.

    From a biblical perspective, Is it logical to say that the universe is six thousand years old when we can see stars ten thousand light years away? Is it logical to assert that the entire world was flooded, and have absolutely no idea whatsoever where those trillions of litres of water went to when the waters receded? Or that the ark built to save all the animals had only a male and a female of each species on board? What did all of the animals eat when they got off? Some of the rebuttals for these questions seem to be bordering on the farcical, except that they cite their explanations quite seriously.

    I am sure that there are other people far more knowledgeable in their arguments about sections of the Bible than I, and I am sure that they will have a multitude of logical arguments regarding this.

    Religion requires faith, and faith is believing in something that you cannot be certain of. What is believed is completely unproven, unscientific, and illogical.
     
  19. Ryan2065

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    No no, I meant the BS part didn't mean bull ****. I, for some reason, get that alot. :)

    Fiance tried to do philosophy and she felt it was too hard... She's sticking with her psychology and english majors instead. I know it isn't a joke degree.
     
  20. Aqualung

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    Everything requires faith. There is not one thing you believe or know that you actually KNOW on anything other than faith.


    I posted something above about illogical. You should read it, because you're basically reposting things I have already countered. It would help this debate progress if people didn't post the same thing and I have to post my exact same counters. You should adress my counter points instead.
     
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