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Featured Can people in heaven hear what we are saying?Question for all Jehovah's Witnesses

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Frank Goad, Dec 6, 2021.

  1. Frank Goad

    Frank Goad Well-Known Member

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    I doubt heaven would be much fun it they could hear the anguished cries from the folks still stuck on Earth. It'd be kind of depressing.
     
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    Since there are upwards of 7.7 billion people on the planet; wouldn't it be a tad noisy
     
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    I think they can, sometimes I go and talk to my family who are dead, and it feels sweet or once I got help after
     
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    I find at 1 Timothy 2:5 that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. WWW.JW.ORG
     
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    I find the figurative humble ' sheep ' (Matthew 25:31-33,37) are Not stuck on Earth because the few called to Heaven have two (2) jobs to do for the people of Earth - Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 20:6.
    * They will serve the people who inherit the Earth as kings taking care of governmental responsibilities for them.
    * They will serve as priests taking care of spiritual duties towards people who inherit the Earth.
    The Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter when No one will say, " I am sick....." - Isaiah 33:24.
    For there will be ' healing ' for earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2.
    This is a reason why we are all invited to pray the invitation of Rev. 22:20 for Jesus to come !
    Come and undo all the suffering damage Satan and Adam brought upon humanity.
    Jesus can and will ' save / deliver / rescue ' righteous humanity.
     
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    Unless you are speaking of Enoch and Elijah, there are no people in heaven. As for God, he does not listen to the prayers of the sinner. When "people" die, they go to the grave (Jeremiah 31:30), where they can neither hear or speak.
     
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    The best the "elect" (Matthew 24:22) can expect, is to be "survivors" (Joel 2:32) in the "day of the LORD" (great tribulation). They are advised to go into their rooms and shut the door until the indignation has passed. (Isaiah 26:20) As for praying for the son of man to come (Matthew 24:29-31), he comes "immediately after the tribulation", and the only ones having some immunity to that harm, would be 144,000 from every tribe of Israel (Revelation 7:1-4) The saints of Revelation 20:4 will be safe in their graves at that time. The healing of Revelation 22:2 is at a period after the great tribulation, and the liars, idolaters, murders, etc. will be locked outside the gates (Revelation 22:14-15). One should take care not to have idols which do not speak or hear, such as figures or crosses made of gold, silver, wood, etc.

    King James Bible Isaiah 26:20
    Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be over past.
     
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    If one has been anointed by the Spirit of God, why exactly would you need a mediator? If you have sinned, then go to the righteous, confess your sins, and ask them to pray for you (James 5:16). If you don't know a righteous man who God listens too, then you have a problem, for God does not listen to sinners (John 9:31). If you think Yeshua is God, then you have a still bigger problem, and will have your sins remain with you, with their accompanying plagues. At that point, you will have to look to man (Fauci) for your healing, which can be more suffering than healing.
     
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    You ask does a non biological spirit body hear?

    No. A mind brain ear bio chemistry owns hearing we hear biological.

    Our owned life records feed back self imaged advice as we live. Lies to your own self.

    Spirit knows by being spirit consciousness first. Always existed before we did. As we hear. So if you ask does spirit know about human life?

    Yes. Father proved it to me. He owns use of voice recording so can use to speak.

    As he was always our father he is advised of life change in heavens by causes. I heard him speak to me. Confirming he is real. In water not gases.

    Science and machine owners are looking for him won't find him as a machine equals a machine to machine.

    You might be attacking life by machine use. Does not make life your machine use. What information egotists ignore about bio life is not your human mind controlled inventions.

    A man and his machine theories he invented life by a belief.

    A man and his machine attacks life as we are not equals a machine.
     
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    I think they believe everyone stays in the ground until then second judgement only JWs rise in the first judgement and stay on earth for a thousand years and then the second Judgement happens. So no one is in heaven yet . I remember this women who was a JW and she was crying at the thought of her husband lying in the ground until judgement day.
     
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    Humans seem to abstract themselves not living inside earths heavens. By placing heavens above their heads.

    In reality life exists and life died inside the exact same heavens state.

    As water is living and life of water length of age left us removed up into heavens. They saw Jesus man image in clouds.

    Knowing I am not Jesus. The event. A state caused by man designer in science caused.

    Hence they believe they stay earth bound.

    Yet all life owns recorded alive or deceased a memory in holy water. Where we live.

    Two teachings. A human is in fact abstract from the atmospheres mass.

    We only are life supported by it.

    A deceased body disappears in science status observation. Known to any honest human teaching.

    The lived life records of any human is left as a spirit in our heavens by water memory. Everyone's.

    I had the experience of a deceased cat visit. Hence these types of experiences prove it is natural causes. Not just a human belief.

    What psychic identification realised plus all human holy parent visitation received. By a lot of humans as an experience in reality.
     
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    No need to cry, for she will no doubt be lying beside him. As she judges others, so shall she be judged. Being as she has the mark of the beast with two horns like a lamb, she surely won't be among those reigning with Christ (Revelation 20:4) during the millennium.
     
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    Lol she just missed her husband and had a hard time with what her faith says sound like your the one judging
    As you judge others, so shall you be judged. Being as you have the mark of the beast with two horns like a lamb, you surely won't be among those reigning with Christ
     
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    And what is the "mark of the beast with two horns like a lamb", and who is that beast, and which head does he represent (Revelation 17)? She is the one who condemned her husband to the grave during the millennium. He may be the only one in her family without the mark of the beast, and therefore he might rise from the dead and rule with Christ, whereas in her religious righteousness, she may well remain in her grave. If she has a "hard time with what her faith says", then it might be wise to question what they say.
     
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    Not all will prove to be the figurative humble ' sheep ' at Jesus' coming Glory Time at Matthew 25:31-33,37.
    Thus the 'un-numbered great crowd' of Revelation 7:9,14 will end up less then 7 billion.
     
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    The soon coming Judgement Day is for the living on Earth at Jesus coming Glory Time of Matthew 25:31-33,37
    This ' Day ' or time period separates the figurative humble ' sheep' from the haughty ' goats .
    Resurrection Day is future for the already dead. - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
    Resurrection Day is Jesus' 'Millennium-Long Day' of governing over Earth for a thousand years.

    The earlier or ' first resurrection' (Revelation 20:6; 2:10; 5:9-10) is for people like those of Daniel 7:18; Luke 22:28-30.
    The second or later resurrection is a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection for people who will inherit the Earth.
    This is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....
    - www.jw.org
     
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    Less than 7m could still be a large number and will still be very noisy
     
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    Yes, less than 7m could still be considered a large number but as to how noisy ?
    ALL of Earth is meant to be used: meaning ALL of Earth to become a paradisical Earth as Eden originally was.
    So, people will be living in areas that right now aren't used for one reason or another. - Isaiah 35th chapter.
     
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    We're in angels dancing n a pin head territory here!

    btw You shouldn't quote Bible verses to atheists. They mean nothing to us, would you like some Richard Dawkins' quotes?
     
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