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And if fundies wouldn't claim that everything the Bible says that God said must be what God said, we non-believers wouldn't be able to use it against them.I quick scanned the article; wasn't worth my time. It's the repeated theme of non-believer showing the problems of biblical fundamentalism. We must assume: Everything the Bible says that God said must be what God said. Done to death.
It's just that I hope that at some point picking on 2nd-graders stops being fun and more sophisticated positions are challenged here.And if fundies wouldn't claim that everything the Bible says that God said must be what God said, we non-believers wouldn't be able to use it against them.Want to run around without any clothes on and screaming at the top of your lungs, don't blame us for calling you a naked goofball.
I'm surprised that you regard such adults as having the mentality of a second grader. In any case, they've chosen to play with the big boys and therefore open up themselves to adult criticism.It's just that I hope that at some point picking on 2nd-graders stops being fun and more sophisticated positions are challenged here.
My exact first thought.Didn't people write that with God, nothing's impossible?
I take that as a yes. God can lie.
According to certain Bible authors, He can. According to certain people here, who believe in free will, and who believe God has free will, He can. But according to what I've learned, He cannot lie, but He does deceive.
You do not think those terms synonymous. Strange.
Are they not both immoral practices?
Some of our ancestors thought the Earth was flat, and that we were in the center of the arena... Did God tell them these things? What's immoral about believing these things?
It likely is not on their own.
That does not answer the question of morality.
Is it moral to sin and to deceive to you?
If either are done with an evil intent then they would both be immoral. Do you agree?
Please do not deflect again. It is a simple moral question.
Yes, he can lie, if only by proxy (which is still dishonesty): Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. - 1 Kings 22:23
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. - Jeremiah 20:7
Jehovah informed Ahab that his angel had put a deceptive spirit in the mouths of Ahab's false prophets, and declared to Ahab's face that he would suffer calamity, despite what Ahab's false prophets told him. So Jehovah told Ahab the truth.
As to Jehovah deceiving Jeremiah, "Jehovah had definitely not tricked or deceived Jeremiah by using some crafty, underhanded scheme against him. Rather, God “fooled” his prophet in a positive, beneficial sense. Jeremiah felt that the opposition was too great, that by himself he could no longer fulfill his God-given assignment. But fulfill it he did, with the Almighty’s support and help. Hence, you might say that Jehovah overpowered him, proving far stronger than Jeremiah and his human inclinations." (Quote from God’s Word for Us Through Jeremiah)