Trailblazer
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You are much too patient and polite considering the circumstances.
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Can God be Experienced?
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rational experiences
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Using language about God, Hawking told TIME after the book’s release, is more figurative than literal.
“God is the name people give to the reason we are here,” he said. “But I think that reason is the laws of physics rather than someone with whom one can have a personal relationship. An impersonal God.”
Stephen Hawking's Thoughts on Atheism, God and Death
As a human who pondered why males in science named God the Creator aspect in the Universe was obvious to mean by name inference, impersonal.
O we always stated as a human was the angel of God that had gone to Hell in spatial creation and became stone. Our Earth God was a stone angel.
O therefore proves that mass by defined human thinking existed first.....as natural mass.
O began to change by pressure . in the middle of O
O . to - at the side is how the story of God is taught in spiritual science.
From - the side into the fall O to spin around back to wholeness as it changed within the O value of wholeness.
G....represented that symbolic inference,
falling by the side back into O wholeness.
D, the split of wholeness O constantly losing itself by D and D.
D given an evaluation of 500, and D and D the God value of 1000.
So I said to self, that GOD was a scientific impersonal named event about what human males always said......O bodies were released from eternal mass, that owned no descriptive analogy....fell into burning...and then cooled in space as the spatial body that lost the O mass opened into a deep empty pit...by expansion.
Expansion in space then proves that O mass once used to fill in that space, proving how much of the eternal mass body had been lost into mass O creation. The aspect of God the impersonal statement in male sciences.
How I told that story in my life psyche by asking spirit, in self mind/consciousness spiritual questions. And as the human being is owner of the words, use of thoughts and descriptions, and gave me human answers. The answers were correct by dictionary meaning and encyclopaedic information......so I said to self that spiritual higher ancient awareness....which is proven by their forms of technology knew more spiritual advice and information than what we all knew in modern day life.
Which to my life and psyche made common sense seeing we studied Egyptian sciences and said it mutated radiated our life. We might have all died back then and simply re emerged....as we are proven to have lived before a very long time ago on Earth and taught self that we returned to human life and were reincarnated.
To tell the stories of the UFO Sun radiation wars and the destruction of our Universal planetary history.
And how evil male human scientists are by male mind and personal choice in what they research and believe in.
“God is the name people give to the reason we are here,” he said. “But I think that reason is the laws of physics rather than someone with whom one can have a personal relationship. An impersonal God.”
Stephen Hawking's Thoughts on Atheism, God and Death
As a human who pondered why males in science named God the Creator aspect in the Universe was obvious to mean by name inference, impersonal.
O we always stated as a human was the angel of God that had gone to Hell in spatial creation and became stone. Our Earth God was a stone angel.
O therefore proves that mass by defined human thinking existed first.....as natural mass.
O began to change by pressure . in the middle of O
O . to - at the side is how the story of God is taught in spiritual science.
From - the side into the fall O to spin around back to wholeness as it changed within the O value of wholeness.
G....represented that symbolic inference,
falling by the side back into O wholeness.
D, the split of wholeness O constantly losing itself by D and D.
D given an evaluation of 500, and D and D the God value of 1000.
So I said to self, that GOD was a scientific impersonal named event about what human males always said......O bodies were released from eternal mass, that owned no descriptive analogy....fell into burning...and then cooled in space as the spatial body that lost the O mass opened into a deep empty pit...by expansion.
Expansion in space then proves that O mass once used to fill in that space, proving how much of the eternal mass body had been lost into mass O creation. The aspect of God the impersonal statement in male sciences.
How I told that story in my life psyche by asking spirit, in self mind/consciousness spiritual questions. And as the human being is owner of the words, use of thoughts and descriptions, and gave me human answers. The answers were correct by dictionary meaning and encyclopaedic information......so I said to self that spiritual higher ancient awareness....which is proven by their forms of technology knew more spiritual advice and information than what we all knew in modern day life.
Which to my life and psyche made common sense seeing we studied Egyptian sciences and said it mutated radiated our life. We might have all died back then and simply re emerged....as we are proven to have lived before a very long time ago on Earth and taught self that we returned to human life and were reincarnated.
To tell the stories of the UFO Sun radiation wars and the destruction of our Universal planetary history.
And how evil male human scientists are by male mind and personal choice in what they research and believe in.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
This states of wakefulness are pictures of reality (of lower or higher quality) not reality itself.
PearlSeeker
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You said it's possible. I appreciate your love of truth. And it's also possible an experience is created in mind. How do we discern real from apparent?
Yes, the case of sunset is different. Let's assume the same example with different circumstances. All near you are blind. You are also blind. Suppose blindness is a normal condition. One day for some reason you start seeing anf you see sunlight and Sun before your eyes. Then you go back to blindness. You don't know what it was, what has happened but you remember you've heard there have been some similar cases recorded. How's that?
OK, no disagreement... but I'm not sure we're on the same page here. You do realize I'm saying our whole, waking-state world is an illusion? -- rocks, time, neighbors, cars -- all just a dream which will dissipate when we wake up?
QuestioningMind
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Interesting analogy, though I think a more accurate one would be if you suddenly started hearing voices that no one else could hear. Now you've heard of people having similar experiences, but you're also aware that many people who hear voices no one else can are suffering from a psychological disorder. Would the logical conclusion be that since you're now hearing these voices that the people who have been classified as mentally unstable were misdiagnosed and there really are people whose dogs talk to them and tell them to kill people? Or would the logical conclusion be that perhaps you are suffering from some sort of mental disorder as well?
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Ask science is it real as compared to their natural self presence.
When science tries to claim as a human that they can relate information consciously about when they personally did not own a life or their chemistry as that conscious body, by conditions science.
Science, the meaning and history of its inventions was never to discuss the relativity of how a human being got created, it was applied human reasoning for a machine and a machine reaction to force change NATURAL and natural history by determined realization.
Conscious males as a group said I am the highest form in the creation of all bodies...I will give them all a name. They never owned any name in their natural Universal or cosmological creation.
Humans therefore claimed self hierarchy in the science of a human expression...and lied.
For males to claim and a Sun, being a huge body of self presence and powers, yet relate that body to miniscule Earth gained causes. Seems to have overlooked that the natural body is what he first originally discusses, not the reaction.
For example. A UFO radiation mass comes through space....what is it in space?
He does not know.
It arrives for his science machines inside of the atmosphere, which is natural history, cold gases and changes itself. He only sees the change. Then an alien image appears in that change. So he knows straight away that the alien image cannot evolve...for it already manifested in the same natural gas mass that we bio humans live in.
Do you own the alien experience scientist? Yes he would claim for I knowingly as a choice, human applied caused it. Yet it is not ownership and it is why consciousness was taught against claims of elitism...ownership and power mongering and lying.....as a factual human teaching to self lying.
So conscious humanity called that status the ANTI state...anti to self existing for an applied human healer/medical defined conscious teaching, as the correct reasoning...to be conscious and not to be a scientific destroyer.
So males researched ^ and o in a vision that was RECORDED...so recorded means past and past means vision. SION....he says is in the past and it is not in his presence...….for he is his own presence human.
^ and o science and machine.....^ stone mass and o metal.. Machine idealism.
O God the actual natural body in cosmological history beneath a flooded Earth water body. God O the Earth body in this story beneath the water or body of water. Its face was therefore on the water.
^ pyramid theory however by ancient term was not.
^ and o machine theme for a human scientist...the liar.
He notified self by flat topping of the mountain, disintegration of mass, how to release energy power out of the stone.....which is an act of EVIL.
For it was not occurring where he naturally as a human was living.
So science was never invented as a story to define how a human was created...science was only invented for machine and reaction.
How science developed science is a lie about egotism.
Therefore as he built the machine that did not exist...and nor did the reaction....the first science pyramid machine can only be reviewed as being a human experiment on self. And he was attacked and encoded with a returned mass of UFO metal.....that had been removed historically.
How a male invented a personal life bio attack on his chemistry, mind and behaviours.
Science caused.
Therefore as science owned the machination to encode personal life body and voice recording, he introduced that event into the Earth atmosphere, that relates to human being scientists and their machine inventions.
So of course science misdiagnosed the reason why voices are heard in radiation radio wave chemical mind burning of the status to see vision and also hear voice...and changed it their own selves.
Why science was determined in the past by title of Satanism, the humans who believe in burning/irradiating others in unnatural science caused fall out attacks by and because of machinery.
Earth had naturally and factually been scientifically changed....as natural life that does not own the hearing of the voice unnaturally proves that fact.
So of course as science is the owner of determined all medical references also...relating to occult machine references, since when would any organization of a human greedy life past be motivated to be advised of any personal truth?
For it is always human motivated group choices that is involved in truth being taught or coercive lying as a self represented reasoning....human.
When science tries to claim as a human that they can relate information consciously about when they personally did not own a life or their chemistry as that conscious body, by conditions science.
Science, the meaning and history of its inventions was never to discuss the relativity of how a human being got created, it was applied human reasoning for a machine and a machine reaction to force change NATURAL and natural history by determined realization.
Conscious males as a group said I am the highest form in the creation of all bodies...I will give them all a name. They never owned any name in their natural Universal or cosmological creation.
Humans therefore claimed self hierarchy in the science of a human expression...and lied.
For males to claim and a Sun, being a huge body of self presence and powers, yet relate that body to miniscule Earth gained causes. Seems to have overlooked that the natural body is what he first originally discusses, not the reaction.
For example. A UFO radiation mass comes through space....what is it in space?
He does not know.
It arrives for his science machines inside of the atmosphere, which is natural history, cold gases and changes itself. He only sees the change. Then an alien image appears in that change. So he knows straight away that the alien image cannot evolve...for it already manifested in the same natural gas mass that we bio humans live in.
Do you own the alien experience scientist? Yes he would claim for I knowingly as a choice, human applied caused it. Yet it is not ownership and it is why consciousness was taught against claims of elitism...ownership and power mongering and lying.....as a factual human teaching to self lying.
So conscious humanity called that status the ANTI state...anti to self existing for an applied human healer/medical defined conscious teaching, as the correct reasoning...to be conscious and not to be a scientific destroyer.
So males researched ^ and o in a vision that was RECORDED...so recorded means past and past means vision. SION....he says is in the past and it is not in his presence...….for he is his own presence human.
^ and o science and machine.....^ stone mass and o metal.. Machine idealism.
O God the actual natural body in cosmological history beneath a flooded Earth water body. God O the Earth body in this story beneath the water or body of water. Its face was therefore on the water.
^ pyramid theory however by ancient term was not.
^ and o machine theme for a human scientist...the liar.
He notified self by flat topping of the mountain, disintegration of mass, how to release energy power out of the stone.....which is an act of EVIL.
For it was not occurring where he naturally as a human was living.
So science was never invented as a story to define how a human was created...science was only invented for machine and reaction.
How science developed science is a lie about egotism.
Therefore as he built the machine that did not exist...and nor did the reaction....the first science pyramid machine can only be reviewed as being a human experiment on self. And he was attacked and encoded with a returned mass of UFO metal.....that had been removed historically.
How a male invented a personal life bio attack on his chemistry, mind and behaviours.
Science caused.
Therefore as science owned the machination to encode personal life body and voice recording, he introduced that event into the Earth atmosphere, that relates to human being scientists and their machine inventions.
So of course science misdiagnosed the reason why voices are heard in radiation radio wave chemical mind burning of the status to see vision and also hear voice...and changed it their own selves.
Why science was determined in the past by title of Satanism, the humans who believe in burning/irradiating others in unnatural science caused fall out attacks by and because of machinery.
Earth had naturally and factually been scientifically changed....as natural life that does not own the hearing of the voice unnaturally proves that fact.
So of course as science is the owner of determined all medical references also...relating to occult machine references, since when would any organization of a human greedy life past be motivated to be advised of any personal truth?
For it is always human motivated group choices that is involved in truth being taught or coercive lying as a self represented reasoning....human.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that can happen and I would know the difference.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is your imagination that God is imagined.
The fact that there's no consensus on what the voices were like or what they were saying militates against their being actual apprehensions of a reality. If, on the other hand, the sunset reporters are in accord, the claims might merit further investigation.
Yes, very much so.
With God, I can find the power to be more than I am, I can find a person of spiritual attributes that will live a life for others rather than self.
It takes constant work and constant reflection as to be able to shine forth what is from God and subdue what is of this world.
Those that have truly found this path become the people we rarely hear about, they are the unsung hero's that serve in silence, in no need of anything but that experience of God, given in service.
Regards Tony
Apparently this is subtle enough, though, that most are unaware of it.
I see the only reason we do not experience God, is our worldly distractions, otherwise the experience we have with God is every thought we can have. We can change our lives to reflect what is from God.
Regards Tony
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
Yes. When you wake up illusion (old picture) dissipates. But reality remains. It "becomes" more. Not less. You begin to see "more than rocks", "more than time"... (Actually I should say "more than you" and "more than see".) Right?
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PearlSeeker
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There are no quick conclusions for a questioning mind.
Maybe in this case: There is black and there is white. But there is also grey.
QuestioningMind
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Sorry, but what I did was NOT cherry picking. I read the entire article that you claimed provided empirical evidence, an article about a man's untested hypothesis. And at the end of the article it VERY CLEARLY stated that this man's untested hypothesis could NOT be considered empirical evidence. That's NOT cherry picking. That's pointing out that your claim that the article provided empirical evidence simply is not true. In fact, by claiming that the article provided empirical evidence when it actually just provided an untested hypothesis, YOU are the one who was attempting to cherry pick. You wanted me to read the arguments for his untested hypotheses, but skip over the part about it NOT being empirical evidence.
The rest of what you wrote is no different. There are plenty of scientists who have hypothesized that consciousness exists outside of a physical brain, but until one of them comes up with a way to TEST this hypothesis, it will forever remain an untested guess and NOT empirical evidence. IF they can find a way to test it then they MIGHT someday have empirical evidence. But until they do, they don't.
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
There are no quick conclusions for a questioning mind.
Maybe in this case: There is black and there is white. But there is also grey.
MAYBE... but I'm certainly not going to conclude that there is until all other possibilities have been fully explored.