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Featured Can Christianity move beyond its inherent homophobia?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Jeremiahcp, Aug 11, 2017.

  1. columbus

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    Nonsense. Not everyone shares your religious views of partisan politics.
    One of the things I have noticed in my several decades here in the USA is the shift in Christian's ethics. Away from the primitive beliefs of ancient people and towards the more sophisticated ethics of modern beliefs.
    Sometimes the intellectual contortions that they go through to retrofit their beliefs into Scripture are amusing to me, like the women's rights and racial equality and such that just can't be found in the Bible.
    Abortion is another one. There is no Scriptural reason to condemn feticide, if the parents (especially the father) want to terminate a pregnancy.

    It's not the Democratic party, it's the people who identify as Christian that are changing.
    Tom
     
  2. Kelly of the Phoenix

    Kelly of the Phoenix Well-Known Member

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    Translation: God likes it best when He creates snowflakes who can't handle nonconformity. Got it.

    A hungry person eats. A full person doesn't. It is suffering that makes us do stuff at all.

    That's why I try to be kind to everyone as much as humanly possible. If we are judged how we judge, it's best not to shoot myself in the foot, right? :)
     
  3. Faithofchristian

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    Are you freaking kidding me, The democratic party is not what it use to be.

    Back in 1961 Democrate President JFK said this, "Ask not what your country can do for you, But ask what you can do for your Country"
    To day Democrates are giving out Welfare to anyone, Obama himself giving hand outs to Illegal immigrants and Muslims and anyone else who wanted free hand outs from the Government.

    So tell me is this not a change from what Democrate President JFK said and believed. Even democrates Presidents that were before Democrate President JFK that no one will have a free ride from the Government.
    But to day the democratic party wants to give out free rides to anyone, But the catch is, you have to vote for the Democratic party's candidate. To get those free rides.
    Which democrate President's of yrs back were against in giving out free rides from the Government.

    The only Problem that was with Christians is that they set back and let the Government democrates dictate to them.

    Until this last election Christians stood up and said No more we have had enough of you democrates dictatorship style of Government.

    By the way, since I was 21 yrs of age, I voted democrate and a strong democrate supporter, Until I woke up and started to notice that democratic party is not for anyone, Except themselves.

    We had this democrate governor Jennifer granholm yrs back in Michigan, Being interviewed, she made this statement, right on T.V, which I couldn't believe that she would say such a thing or even consider to say such a thing as she did.

    Here's what she said, As she was in the talking about the American people, "You don't tell me what to do, I tell you"
    Now if I may ask, What's up with all that?

    No lady you don't tell us, We tell You lady.
    That's why you were voted into office.

    See it's bone heads democrates like this, is why President Donald Trump got elected into office.
    I am not for sale nor is my vote, When the democratic party has something they want to give out, to get this you have to vote for us, Well as for me, You can take whatever you have to offer and shove it up your buts. My vote is not for sale.and I will not take being bribed in No way nor will I vote for anyone who trys to bribe me for my vote.

    To answer the thread, "can christianity move Beyond it's inherent of homophobia.

    The question now is, Can homosexualls, Atheists, Liberal democrates, move Beyond it's inherent of Christianphobia?
     
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    No, I'm just saying people need to get off my, and other people's, back who have this belief. I'm not implying anything. I'm countering his implication.
     
  5. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Homosexuality is a sin for no other reason than that ignorant human beings didn't understand why everybody was not just the same as everybody else. Learning is -- for some, possibly not the religulous -- something to be cherished and to actually incorporate into your thinking. If the Bible is the only possible truth about anything, however, then you'll still need a brass snake to cure snake-bite -- not anti-venin, which the Bible knew nothing about.

    And by the way, stoning your non-virgin daughter and owning the black guy next door would also be quite permissible. That's what the Bible says.
     
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  6. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    And what would you say to Christians who identify both as Christian and as homosexual and as non-sinning? There are lots of them. And there are many (consider the United Church of Canada, one of our largest denominations), who agree they are perfectly right to consider themselves so.

    And I ask again (as I have over and over and over again), what the heck is wrong with actually learning that human sexuality is fluid, generally non-chosen (and therefore non-sinful)?

    Maybe the real question ought to be: "is science, learning about human nature, controverting God's rules, or do those rules, having been conceived in the absence of any ability to do science, actually demand that humans should STOP BEING HUMAN AND BECOME GOD?"

    For the record, this is one of things that I really despise about a lot of religion -- its (often) pious denial of what is manifestly true in deference to scriptural naivety. :mad:
     
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    Why are you angry with me? I'm not a practicing Christian or homophobic. I'm explaining that some Christians simply don't see their bigotry because it's condoned in the Bible, but disguised as something else.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    I'm sorry you felt I was angry with you -- certainly I am not. On the other hand, what you expressed in your post (whichever side you were on) needed to be addressed. I typically read the words in posts, without giving much thought to who wrote them. The words are, in the end, the matter at hand.
     
  9. Faithofchristian

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    It's all to funny how people speak, but doesn't have one clue about the democratic party, Back in 1993 when bill clinton the two face hypocrite, When he was running for president, he go out to California and tell the gay community that he is all for them and then leave California and go to the East coast and tell them he's against gay rights, This just goes to show how far the democratic party will go for a vote.

    Bill clinton, Not realizing that some news media were honest even back then to bring this all out.
     
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    You have to be the most hilarious funniest person there is. You like alot of others, will say things that you consider not to be in the bible, But everything you said can be found right there in the bible.

    Don't come to me and ask me where in the bible, You spoke it, and come across like you know, So go figure it out,
     
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    Well, a little wicked humor goes a long way at times.

    I actually have a bad habit of trying to assist all who need help, atheist or otherwise. I don't even mind helping a stranger at times with a drink if they are out of change and are hot and thirsty.
     
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    In the true church of Jesus Crist
    Any sex outside marriage is sin heterosexual or homosexual
    Marriage is between a man and a woman
    Anyone teaching otherwise has renounced Jesus and is no longer a Christian assuming he ever was one
     
  13. columbus

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    Luckily, Almighty God doesn't feel constrained by your opinion.
    Tom
     
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    Sources please.

    And I mean specific verses
     
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    I believe Christianity cannot and will not change reality.

    I believe those who have faith in God will survive and so will Christianity with them.

    I believe I call those apostates. They may still call themselves Christian but they have left the faith.

    I believe it has always been a limiting factor. Unrepentant sinners avoid churches like the plague.
     
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    I believe we know what the verses say andattempts to abuse scripture to make it say otherwise are not really attempts at being contextual.
     
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    I believe I read the same Bible and find love and acceptance. Maybe it is a personal reaction or in my case it is receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior that changed my attitudes.

    I believe that is what God planned from the beginning of the coming of Jesus.

    I believe we have to reiterate or maybe you have never seen it. We chastise and condemn the sin and not the siner. We call the sinner to repentance.


    I believe I am close enough for God's purposes.
     
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    That message of love wasn't clear though until the NT. The OT seems to be filled with a different message even though I realize that it was a foreshadowing of the NT. What are your thoughts to that? I'm in the process of rereading the Bible for my own knowledge so I will see what I learn this time.
     
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    I'm not racist. I think I have made that very clear in spite of your uncalled for demeaning retorts.
     
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    Says you.
    But then, you continuously present your opinion as though it is fact..
    Then demonstrate you do not know the difference between opinion and fact.

    Sin is merely going against the will/wishes of your chosen deity.
    Like it or not, there are deities who are not against homosexuality.

    ROTFLMAO
    how many different versions are there of the Bible?
    You do understand that "version" means different, right?

    Who is this "we" you claim to speak for?
     
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