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Can an Islamist party be truly Democratic

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by England my lionheart, Mar 5, 2011.

  1. Bismillah

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    Wrong EML the MB's statements are in regards to a Caliph, not a President.
     
  2. kai

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    Not all that wrong!

    Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt: Members split over Copts and women

    According to the Egyptian newspaper Al Masry Al Youm, the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood is currently divided over whether it should accept the legitimacy of Copts and women as presidential candidates.


    Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt: Members split over Copts and women | Just Journalism
     
  3. Bismillah

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    kai I am aware of the split between the older and newer generations among the MB. In regards to the particular topic it concerns the appointment of the Caliph in the final stages of the formation of a Musilm country.
     
  4. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    Ahh,this isn't new,trying to distance the MB today from their very unsavoury past,the Mufti was a central figure of the MB
     
  5. England my lionheart

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    And a final farewell to Democracy,their is a split and it will be interesting to see who wins in that respect
     
  6. Bismillah

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    Can a Muslim be the Pope?
     
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    What? in regards this discussion it concerns the presidency of Egypt.
     
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    whats that got to do with it.

    lets have it straight and stopping messing around with notions of Caliphs.

    whats the MB policy on

    Women in politics and can one be president?
    Copts in politics and can one be president?
    Baha'i in politics and can one be president?
    Homosexuals in politics and can one be president?


    That should clear up any misunderstandings
     
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  9. England my lionheart

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    The Freedom and Justice Party which is to be the Political arm of the MB have a platform to work from,the MB website says a detailed platform will be released:

    The Brotherhood has confirmed that it does not object to the election of women or Copts in cabinet.[4] The group supports free-market capitalism, but without manipulation or monopoly. The party’s political program would include tourism as a main source of national income.[5] Freedom and Justice Party will be based on Islamic Law "but will be acceptable to a wide segment of the population," said leading MB member Essam al-Arian.[6] The party’s membership will be open to all Egyptians who accept the terms of its program.[7] The spokesperson for the party said that "when we talk about the slogans of the revolution – freedom, social justice, equality – all of these are in the Sharia (Islamic law)."

    I guess that means Gays,Bai Hai's,Atheists and Apostates along with Women will not be getting the Presidents job.
     
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    Frankly, it seems to me that the issue is not whether they are Muslim fundamentalist radicals or fundamentalist radicals from any other religion. Generally speaking, fundamentalist radicals don't make for democratic government, whatever religion they happen to be from. And there is no such thing as a democratic theocracy. Theocracy requires some level of fundamentalism. Democracy requires some level of pluralism.

    I am just as opposed to radical Islamist political parties in Muslim countries as I am to the Haredi (ultra-Orthodox) political parties in Israel. Nobody gets a pass on this. There's not necessarily something wrong with using your religion as an ethical lens to view social action, but it stops being helpful as soon as the state defines an official religion, and takes upon itself the power to tell people what they ought to believe and how they ought to observe.
     
  11. England my lionheart

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    Agree with this aswell
     
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    Everything.

    I do not think you fully understand the purpose of a Caliph.

    So can a Muslim be a Pope?
     
  13. England my lionheart

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    Sure if he converts to Catholicism and goes to a poor Country like Africa to do missionary work and work his way up to Bishop,then when the current Pope dies or retires they take a vote,if he gets enough votes hey presto.
     
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    The question wasn't "Can a Catholic become the Pope"

    The question is Can a Muslim become the Pope?
     
  15. England my lionheart

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    No,neither can a Satanist,Wicca,Luciferian or Atheist so whats your point
     
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    That is exactly my point.

    The Caliph is the spiritual leader of Islam. His whole existence and purpose is entertained with the religion.
     
  17. England my lionheart

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    Of course and probaly the Islamic world would benefit from a Caliph,although i doubt Shia's would accept one,still not compatible with Democracy though
     
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    I have yet to see a "truly democratic" party.
    Of course, it seems to me that since the USA is not a true democracy, that that would stand to reason.
     
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    The Shia would only except a Caliph who is a progeny of the Prophet.

    Also given that a Caliph arises from consultation and consent why is that process in itself not democratic?

    The Caliph is readily checked by the power of the public and all major policies can only be enacted through this consent.

    Given that contenders are not allowed to campaign for themselves, but are chosen wouldn't this eliminate the problem of actually reaching office that we see in the West? That is in the U.S you need a large monetary investment as well as donations from separate identities to even stand a chance.
     
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    It would still be a problem for non Muslims,well it would be a problem for me if i were an Egyptian.
     
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