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Can a literal Genesis creation story really hold up?
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Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
prove they never existed.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Well your wrong
Its why you never have evidence for your mythology
if the hebrews evolved from the canaanites, they would have spoke the language of the canaanites.... but they dont.
They spoke and wrote in hebrew because they did not originate with the sons of Ham...they originated with Shem's sons.
But of course you could be right... perhaps all humans are mythological creatures. Now there's a thought.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I didn'tr sayanything about mythology or what God said in the past but what He says to me now.
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe All reading of history is post hoc. I don't see why understanding what was going on from a scientific point of view is any less reasonable than a magical point of view.
I have no desire to do so and wish to be corrected if I do.
I believe critical thinking can be useful but if all the person is doing is saying "nah it aint" then it isn't.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe humans (The Adamic race) were re-ceated in the Caucasus by the gods somewhere around 5,000 BC The African race originated in Africa long before the re-creation of the Adamic race. The gods that did the recreation, sometimes know as Aryans originated from the stars as a human alien race arriving somewhere around 10,000 BC.
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Shad
Veteran Member
if the hebrews evolved from the canaanites, they would have spoke the language of the canaanites.... but they dont.
They spoke and wrote in hebrew because they did not originate with the sons of Ham...they originated with Shem's sons.
But of course you could be right... perhaps all humans are mythological creatures. Now there's a thought.
Hebrew is based on Canaanite, it is part of the Canaanite language family of the wester semitic grouping... Hebrew is based on the proto-Canaanite alphabet which is the basis for all languages in the grouping. The early Hebrew language uses paleo-Hebrew alphabet which was is based on the Phoenician alphabet which agains is part of the Canaanite language grouping. Aramaic alphabets were not used until the 5th century. The oldest record of Hebrew found uses the proto-Canaanite alphabet. You have should not talk about a subject which you are ignorant of..
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Shad
Veteran Member
Post hoc rationalization is when you take specific statement based on later discovers and insert this into an early statement which is generalized. This is what you have done.
outhouse
Atheistically
You only bring up mythology.
And refuse reality no matter how credible the evidence you refuse is.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Canaanite is a semitic language.... Shem had a brother called Ham and Canaan was one of his sons.
So of course they are related, but that does not mean that the sons of Shem came from the Sons of Canaan.
They are two different stocks of people and developed into two different nations of people.
Outhouse is claiming the isrealites are canaanites which is quite wrong and which is proved wrong by the language they spoke which is different to the canaanite language.
Both being semitic does not mean they are from the same clan.
outhouse
Atheistically
You are factually wrong pegg, thanks for playing
One reason is because I am not claiming that, all education and knowledge is claiming it.
I just follow the education you refuse.
wrong again
Canaanite languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Canaanite languages are a subfamily of the Semitic languages, which were spoken by the ancient peoples of the Canaan region, the Canaanites (including the Israelites and Phoenicians), Amorites, Ammonites, Moabites and Edomites. All of them seem to have become extinct as native languages by the early 1st millennium CE
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
You are factually wrong pegg, thanks for playing
One reason is because I am not claiming that, all education and knowledge is claiming it.
I just follow the education you refuse.
wrong again
Canaanite languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Canaanite languages are a subfamily of the Semitic languages, which were spoken by the ancient peoples of the Canaan region, the Canaanites (including the Israelites and Phoenicians), Amorites, Ammonites, Moabites and Edomites. All of them seem to have become extinct as native languages by the early 1st millennium CE
Jews still speak Hebrew.
outhouse
Atheistically
Shad
Veteran Member
He is right. You read the Bible while I work in archeology with my specialty in Biblical archeology. Early Hebrew uses the Canaanite alphabet as well as Phoenician a century later. It is a splinter language as Spanish, Italian and French are to Latin. Read Prof. Yosef Garfinkel work or History of the Hebrew Language By David Steinberg. Canaanite languages share a rate of same word meaning of 79 to 85%. If I say X word in Hebrew it means the same in Phoenician.
Whiterain
Get me off of this planet
You would have to find the original legend, perhaps it is a little more thorough.
The OT genesis is far to vague, although, it does say Man was made from
elements of the Earth. It's just dust in some versions, in other versions the Lords
Angels were sent out onto the lands to bring back various elements so that he
would make Man. Man was also the last being of "creation", not one of the first.
I believe the Earth is ancient, not only 12/10,000 years old.
It's hard to fathom such a powerful being having not really been acquainted
with such feats of power or magic as given the illusion of. You may no want
to consider technology, but the power of will used to create.
Personally, I believe Man was born as it is now, not ascending from apes,
perhaps Man bread with apes. There are at least a dozen myths behind
the origin and you can come to your own conclusions as well. As far as the
Genesis story holding up it's far to vague to appease everyone.
The timeline is also difficult to nail down.
In Norse myth there are two or three myths, one Man was presented to the
Gods, not made necessarily(?), by the Drawves. I think the Dwarves are the
Neanderthals, whom were sent to the realm of Midgard to kill off the
dragons, which I think are the dinosaurs. Please let me know if I am
presuming to much... Dinosaur, Dragon, doesn't fly in science. In Norse
the Dragons were on Earth eons, millennium, prior to anyone being here,
Gods included, I believe.
With that insane sounding theorem in place the dinosaurs were apparently
already extinct by time the Neanderthals had lived and died out on Earth, so
it's hard to say if I am totally correct and should be in the hall of Nobel Prize
winners. That and the mythological Dwarves were supposed to be masters
of metallurgy and the Neanderthals have only been discovered with stone
age tools and weaponry, thus far. Although it does not mention much about
their time in Midgard and even if they had that technology then. Other than
they were there eons before Man, as well. Nobody seems to really coos the
idea, although I have put it out there to cultivate.
Which also means the Norse Gods were incomprehensibly ancient. I mean,
if you meet a God one of the things you may feel is incomprehensible ancients.
So if a Neanderthal is discovered with metal weapons and have an expulsion
in my pants and probably a heart attack and die.
There are other myths as well though, Norse is just my favorite. The
Neanderthals are apparently in various myths, even Judeo.
It's pretty rad.
Respect the Neanderthal
Most of the documentation on the Neanderthals is a little insulting anyway.
I went on to write a drunkin rant on how they were amazing and all.
The Neanderthals were so strong muscle wrenched their bones.
Although there's no evidence of metallurgy, they were masters of fire
and metallurgy, among other things they taught Man.
The Neanderthals taught Man everything.
The OT genesis is far to vague, although, it does say Man was made from
elements of the Earth. It's just dust in some versions, in other versions the Lords
Angels were sent out onto the lands to bring back various elements so that he
would make Man. Man was also the last being of "creation", not one of the first.
I believe the Earth is ancient, not only 12/10,000 years old.
It's hard to fathom such a powerful being having not really been acquainted
with such feats of power or magic as given the illusion of. You may no want
to consider technology, but the power of will used to create.
Personally, I believe Man was born as it is now, not ascending from apes,
perhaps Man bread with apes. There are at least a dozen myths behind
the origin and you can come to your own conclusions as well. As far as the
Genesis story holding up it's far to vague to appease everyone.
The timeline is also difficult to nail down.
In Norse myth there are two or three myths, one Man was presented to the
Gods, not made necessarily(?), by the Drawves. I think the Dwarves are the
Neanderthals, whom were sent to the realm of Midgard to kill off the
dragons, which I think are the dinosaurs. Please let me know if I am
presuming to much... Dinosaur, Dragon, doesn't fly in science. In Norse
the Dragons were on Earth eons, millennium, prior to anyone being here,
Gods included, I believe.
With that insane sounding theorem in place the dinosaurs were apparently
already extinct by time the Neanderthals had lived and died out on Earth, so
it's hard to say if I am totally correct and should be in the hall of Nobel Prize
winners. That and the mythological Dwarves were supposed to be masters
of metallurgy and the Neanderthals have only been discovered with stone
age tools and weaponry, thus far. Although it does not mention much about
their time in Midgard and even if they had that technology then. Other than
they were there eons before Man, as well. Nobody seems to really coos the
idea, although I have put it out there to cultivate.
Which also means the Norse Gods were incomprehensibly ancient. I mean,
if you meet a God one of the things you may feel is incomprehensible ancients.
So if a Neanderthal is discovered with metal weapons and have an expulsion
in my pants and probably a heart attack and die.
There are other myths as well though, Norse is just my favorite. The
Neanderthals are apparently in various myths, even Judeo.
It's pretty rad.
Respect the Neanderthal
Most of the documentation on the Neanderthals is a little insulting anyway.
I went on to write a drunkin rant on how they were amazing and all.
The Neanderthals were so strong muscle wrenched their bones.
Although there's no evidence of metallurgy, they were masters of fire
and metallurgy, among other things they taught Man.
The Neanderthals taught Man everything.
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Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
and El in canaanite means the same at God in Hebrew... i know and i get that.
But outhouse is claiming that this means the Hebrews are actually canaanites.
outhouse
Atheistically
outhouse
Atheistically
But thanks for ignoring education and knowledge, and YOU not being able to refute wiki.
yes el was factually combined with Yahweh
Sorry you are no match for education and knowledge
History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Israelite monotheism evolved gradually out of pre-existing beliefs and practices of the ancient world.[76] The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[77] and other ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on a cult of ancestors and worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[78] Its major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period.[79] By the time of the early Hebrew kings , El and Yahweh had become fused and Asherah did not continue as a separate state cult
Maybe you cannot read English well, and understand the 4 early gods, or maybe you fail to understand the word fused actually means.
If you need help with your English let us know.
yes el was factually combined with Yahweh
Sorry you are no match for education and knowledge
History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Israelite monotheism evolved gradually out of pre-existing beliefs and practices of the ancient world.[76] The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[77] and other ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on a cult of ancestors and worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[78] Its major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period.[79] By the time of the early Hebrew kings , El and Yahweh had become fused and Asherah did not continue as a separate state cult
Maybe you cannot read English well, and understand the 4 early gods, or maybe you fail to understand the word fused actually means.
If you need help with your English let us know.