Can a Ethiopian change his skin?

[Augustus]

Jeremiah was a Greek, a Helot ( most educated people at that time ) employed in Alexandra's Army

Helots were a subjugated population of agricultural slave/serf labourers in Sparta.

They were not educated, and were compelled to labour so that the Spartans could focus all their time on military training. The Spartans didn't even join in Alexander's conquests.

 

[Magus]

Helots were a subjugated population of agricultural slave/serf labourers in Sparta.

They were not educated, and were compelled to labour so that the Spartans could focus all their time on military training. The Spartans didn't even join in Alexander's conquests.

I discovered a direct reference to Spartans in the Book of Obadiah , bear in mind
that 'Obed' is a translation of 'Helot'.

Obadiah 1:20
And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south

Zerephath is located in Sparta, known as Therapnes and Sepharad, or 'סְפָרַד' (SPRD ) is Σπάρτα (SPRT).

Book of Maccabees I 12:20-23
It has been discovered in records regarding the Spartans and Jews that they are brothers, and of the race of Abraham

This the reason for the Hebraic backstory of coming out of Slavery

In fact early high priests of Israel have spartan names too.

Jason, Memelaus and Alcimus( = Eliakim )
List of High Priests of Israel - Wikipedia
Menelaus (High Priest) - Wikipedia

*In Greek mythology, Menelaus was a king of Mycenaean Sparta, the husband of Helen of Troy, and a central figure in the Trojan War.

 

[idav]

Why God have to be racist to make a point?

What on earth are you talking about?

Jeremiah is a very anachronistic book, it even documents Alexander's Siege of Tyre and his crowning in Egypt , therefore it's likely Jeremiah was a Greek, a Helot ( most educated people at that time ) employed in Alexandra's Army and wrote about it, his original works obviously don't exist, but manipulated over time into what it is today.

Your the one bringing up a verse to not make a point.

 

[Magus]

The name 'Ethiopian' means burnt-skin, although both the words 'Cush' and 'Ethiopia' were also used by Greeks for Indians.

Hindu Kush - Wikipedia

One of the wives of Alexander the Great was a ' Kushi ' , known as Roxana.
Numbers 12:1 - Moses married a 'Kushi' woman.

 

[Augustus]

I discovered a direct reference to Spartans in the Book of Obadiah , bear in mind
that 'Obed' is a translation of 'Helot'.

Why would 'most educated people' be Helots? How many agricultural slave/serfs in 500BC do you suppose were educated? That's a bit like saying most educated people in Medieval Europe would be dirt poor peasants.

Given that the term referred to social status, the Helots who were freed from servitude would no longer be Helots but neodamôdeis (new citizens).

 

[Magus]

Why would 'most educated people' be Helots? How many agricultural slave/serfs in 500BC do you suppose were educated? That's a bit like saying most educated people in Medieval Europe would be dirt poor peasants.

Given that the term referred to social status, the Helots who were freed from servitude would no longer be Helots but neodamôdeis (new citizens).

Names such as 'Iberia', 'Slavia' and 'Serbia' seem to correlate with words meaning Slave or Serfs.

Does the term 'Hebrew', refer to a social status ?

Neh 12:20 1Ch 8:22 1Ch 8:12 1Ch 5:13 1Ch 1:25 Num 24:24

All these verses have a character known as `Eber , In the Septuagint
the word `Eber is rendered Αβεδ or Ωβηδ ( Abed / Obed ), thus 'Eber and 'Abed are interchanging.

Obed means 'servant or slave' , but 'Eber is a patronymic form of Hebrews
also, the Hebrew word 'Obed' as a cognate in Greek 'ὀπηδός ' (Opedos) meaning
Attendant, 'Eber is word-played with Euphrates, but Helots were associated with
the River Eurotas. ( pronounced Eufrates) ( Zeus/Zefs )

Eurotas (river) - Wikipedia
Perioeci - Wikipedia

Another name for Helot, is 'Perioeci ' ( Pero - Oikos) ( Dwell around )

The first time the term 'Hebrew' appears in the Genesis, is 14:13 but in the Septuagint, it is 'περάτῃ' (Perate ) , which means 'wanderer, emigrant'

Did you know, that the Greek word for 'Favourite Slave' is ? ABRA (ἅβρα )
Greek Word Study Tool

No wonder Eber and Obed are interchanging.

Turn ἅβρα into a noun, you get 'ἁβράν' (Abran )

N and M interchange frequently in Hebrew, 'Moph / Noph' (both these words mean Memphis) , thus Αβράν = Αβραμ

Isaac, Jacob , Joseph and Joshua derive from Greek too.

 

[Flankerl]

In fact early high priests of Israel have spartan names too.

Jason, Memelaus and Alcimus( = Eliakim )
List of High Priests of Israel - Wikipedia
Menelaus (High Priest) - Wikipedia

> Wikipedia mostly uses the Greek names of Jews
> thus these people were Greeks

You are hilarious.

 

[Magus]

> Wikipedia mostly uses the Greek names of Jews
> thus these people were Greeks

You are hilarious.

Alcimus - Wikipedia
Alcimus (mythology) - Wikipedia

Alcimus (from Greek: Ἄλκιμος Alkimos, "valiant" or Hebrew אליקום Elyaqum, "God will rise")

Alcimus, one of the sons of Hippocoon. He had a heroon in Sparta

 

[Augustus]

Another name for Helot, is 'Perioeci ' ( Pero - Oikos) ( Dwell around )

Perioikoi were a social class above Helots, it is not simply another name for Helot.

 

[Tumah]

Jeremiah is a very anachronistic book, it even documents Alexander's Siege of Tyre and his crowning in Egypt , therefore it's likely Jeremiah was a Greek, a Helot ( most educated people at that time ) employed in Alexandra's Army and wrote about it, his original works obviously don't exist, but manipulated over time into what it is today.

Definition of NON SEQUITUR

 

[idav]

How is this racist exactly?

By quote mining a Bible verse and taking it completely out of context. His answer to you was they corrupted the Bible. I'm at a loss.

 

[Magus]

,Artaxerxes III personally led an army of 330,000 men against Sidon. Artaxerxes' army comprised 300,000 foot soldiers, 30,000 cavalry, 300 triremes, and 500 transports or provision ships. After gathering this army, he sought assistance from the Greeks.

The Greeks (including Spartans ) were enslaved by the Persians, it was Alexander the Great who freed them from Babylon and Egypt .

The Bible as a chronological error.

Zadok > Shallum > Hilkiah > Azariah > Seraiah > Ezra ( Ezra 7:1)
Zadok > Shallum > Hilkiah > Azariah > Seraiah > Jeho-Zadok (1 Chron 6:15)

1 Ch 6:15
Jehozadak went into captivity, when the LORD carried away Judah and Jerusalem by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar

Ezra 7:1 ( Artaxerxes III )
Now after these things, in the reign of Artaxerxes king of Persia, Ezra the son of Seraiah, the son of Azariah, the son of Hilkiah,

After this victory over the Egyptians, Artaxerxes had the city walls destroyed, started a reign of terror, and set about looting all the temples. Persia gained a significant amount of wealth from this looting. Artaxerxes also raised high taxes and attempted to weaken Egypt enough that it could never revolt against Persia. For the 10 years that Persia controlled Egypt, believers in the native religion were persecuted and sacred books were stolen

2Ch 12:9
So Shishak king of Egypt came up against Jerusalem, and took away the treasures of the house of the LORD, and the treasures of the king's house; he took all: he carried away also the shields of gold which Solomon had made

The Egyptian name for Artaxerxes is 'Artekh Shesesh' and in the Septuagint
'Shishak' is written, Σουσακιμ containing the elements, 'Σουσα ' (Sousa) , the Greek name for Susa (Persia) .

 

[Magus]

The Persians castrated it's slaves, thus they were known as 'Eunuchs', Circumcision is a derivation of Castration, to remind them of the past-slavery.

The Hebrew word for 'Eunuch' , is ''סָרִיס '

Dan 1:11 - Then said Daniel to Melzar, whom the prince of the 'eunuchs'
Gen 39:1 - Joseph was brought too Potiphar, the 'eunuchs' of Pharaoh
Dan 2:14 -Then Daniel answered with counsel and wisdom to Arioch the captain the king's guard ( tabbach)
Gen 37:36 And the Midianites sold him into Egypt unto Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh's, and 'captain' of the guard( tabbach)

What are Eunuchs doing in Genesis ?

In matter of fact, Joseph and Daniel are parallel characters


Pharaoh as a dream, he called upon 'Magicians'(chartom חַרְטֹם) who could not interpret.(Gen 41:8)
Nebuchadnezzar II as a dream, He called upon ' Magicians' (chartom חַרְטֹם)) who could not interpret(Dan 2:2)

Joseph summoned to interpret the Dream (Gen 41:15)
Daniel summoned to interpret the Dream (Dan 2:26)

Joseph is made ruler of Egypt (Gen 41:43)
Daniel made ruler of Babylon (Dan 2:48)

Given a golden chain to wear around their neck (Gen 41:42 )
Given a golden chain to wear around their neck (Dan 5:29)

EUNUCHS – Encyclopaedia Iranica

 

[Kemosloby]

Anyone know how the leopard feels about his spots? Is it ok to talk about them publicly?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Helots were a subjugated population of agricultural slave/serf labourers in Sparta.

They were not educated, and were compelled to labour so that the Spartans could focus all their time on military training. The Spartans didn't even join in Alexander's conquests.

Beat me to it. Thank you!

Anyone know how the leopard feels about his spots? Is it ok to talk about them publicly?

No, I'm afraid you'll be deemed ableist if you go there

 

[sun rise]

This is an utterly classic RF thread which starts with a Bible quote out of context and wanders in all sorts of directions, some of them blessedly humorous.