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Can 500+ Eyewitnesses Be Wrong?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by michel, Sep 4, 2005.

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  1. Jaymes

    Jaymes The cake is a lie

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    I'm using definition 1 as well; I was convinced I had seen an alligator and a pteradactyl. ;) (You know, I kind of wish I was making this up. I was such a weird kid.)
     
  2. michel

    michel Administrator Emeritus
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    And you can add Tibetans to that list; I will never be able to eradicate Tiananmen Square from my memory - although that was not just about Religion.........:(
     
  3. Jayhawker Soule

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    Consider the source - and the fact that it was hearsay written decades after the purported event. As evidence it is worthless.
     
  4. Jayhawker Soule

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    What is your evidence for this?
     
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  5. Malus 12:9

    Malus 12:9 Temporarily Deactive.

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    Odd how hundreds of people can still vouch for it, as Deut said, "decades after the puported event". And give the same basic explanation.

    Lose a little in translation, how is it supposed to be accurate?
     
  6. michel

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    Can 500+ Eyewitnesses Be Wrong? - Yes.

    Have you never seen a conjurer on television ?:)
     
  7. Malus 12:9

    Malus 12:9 Temporarily Deactive.

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    Some people seem to be unable to distinguish the difference between withnesses and
    believers :)
     
  8. JerryL

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    1. Jerry says 5,000 saw his time-travel to messopotamia
    2. The messopotamians started a whole campaign against Jerry-viewers
    3. Some of the higher-ranking Zarathustrians did too.
    4. Many, if not most, were tickled.
    You mean like Islam in the US is growing despite hostility? Or Wicca (which is also growing despite hostility)?

    All three are written by Paul.

    The beginning of which story? You've offered no corroboration for any of your claims beyond "Paul said so".

    According to the gospels, none of the deciples managed to get it. Of course, you can't establish historically that there was a Joshua bin Joseph, much less that he predicted his death.

    BTW, I predicted my own time-travel to Messopotamia.
     
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    Can you please name the source for the names listed.

    No other books were written. None discovered none found. The bible is not an offical document is it a set of revealed documents. If there were other witness someone would have recorded names and literature would have been written.


    Imagine if you and I were opposing lawyers in a law case. The case doesn't matter but to "prove" my case I tell the judge I have 500 witness. The judge turns to you and say..."hey he has 500 witness case closed." No attempt is made to verify that I have 500 witness, none are identified no opinions are collected from ANY of the witness (as they have not even been identified) but hey 500 is 500 and this guy says it so so case closed.


    That is what it is like for you to say Paul had 500 witness. Further complicating Paul's claim, Paul says he has 500 witnesses to an event I want to point out again he did not witness which makes me wonder how he could identify the witness who obviously never came forward.


    As footnote, If Paul was such a murdering oppressessive tyrant that you make him out to be and is the primary agent of Jesus and your God what does that say about Jesus and your God?
     
  11. michel

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    Paul didn't say he had 500 witnesses. He himself had killed some (if not all) of them.

    Acts 26:10 = WHICH THING I ALSO DID IN JERUSALEM: AND MANY OF THE SAINTS DID I SHUT UP IN PRISON, HAVING RECEIVED AUTHORITY FROM CHIEF PRIESTS; AND WHEN THEY WERE PUT TO DEATH, I GAVE MY VOICE AGAINST THEM.

    That God is willing to forgive even you and I for our sins.

    Hebrews 7:25 = WHEREFORE HE IS ABLE TO SAVE THEM TO THE UTTERMOST THAT COME UNTO GOD BY HIM, SEEING HE EVER LIVETH TO MAKE INTERCESSION FOR THEM.
     
  12. robtex

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    Again, please give a source listing the 500 witness. I am disputing that there were 500 witnesses.
     
  13. michel

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    I must admit I can find no number given anywhere....:help:
     
  14. JerryL

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    I still see it as inferior to the 5,000 witnesses that saw me in ancient messopotamia. I killed some of them too :)
     
  15. painted wolf

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    you know hundreds of Lakota people saw White Buffalo Woman when she first appeared to the people. They talked with her, learned from her and watched as she turned back into a Buffalo and rejoined her own nation. They still have the sacred pipe she gave to them...
    They have been more than willing to die for their faith...

    naturally this isn't going to make you any more likely to beleive my religion. :cool:

    wa:do
     
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  16. michel

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    1 Corinthians 15:6 = AFTER THAT, HE WAS SEEN OF ABOVE FIVE HUNDRED BRETHREN AT ONCE; OF WHOM THE GREATER PART REMAIN UNTO THIS PRESENT, BUT SOME ARE FALLEN ASLEEP.
     
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    They did write about you, Jerry; but Napoleon dismissed you as a figment of their imaginations, and tore up the documents.
     
  18. michel

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    Did a Lakotan kill many of his own for reporting it, then write a book and admit it?
     
  19. Jayhawker Soule

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    Shouting makes self serving claims to hearsay evidense no less worthless.
     
  20. JerryL

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    So then you agree that I've time-travelled to ancient messopotamia?
     
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