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Caitlyn Jenner says transgender girls in women’s sports is ‘unfair’

Fallen Prophet

Well-Known Member
Well I think Caitlyn would know if anyone would.

"Caitlyn Jenner, the former Olympic champion and reality TV personality now running for California governor, said she opposes transgender girls competing in girls’ sports at school.

Jenner, a 1976 decathlon Olympic gold medalist who came out as a transgender woman in 2015, told a TMZ reporter on Saturday that it’s “a question of fairness.”

“That’s why I oppose biological boys who are trans competing in girls’ sports in school. It just isn’t fair. And we have to protect girls’ sports in our schools,” Jenner said Saturday during a brief interview in a Malibu parking lot."

Caitlyn Jenner: Transgender girls in women’s sports is ‘unfair’
Caitlyn is right about this.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
And again and again, the old "trans women are men in dresses" canard.

Have you ever actually met a trans woman who fully transitioned?
This may anger some but I seem to have that affect on people because I speak what's on my mind.

Sex changes are expensive however castration isn't that expensive. If a male identifies as a female and wants to be a female, being females don't have testis, they should go get their testes cut off ASAP and say bye bye to testosterone. That's a start.

With that said, I'm done with this conversation.
So the answer to my question is "no", I gather.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
I guess trans people have become the "Holy War" of the season. Ad hominems, loss of reading ability and resulting straw (wo)men/trans/non-binary/etc.
I think I'll sit this one out.
The American term would be "culture war", but I agree. This has become a bipartisan issue much like homosexuality, interracialism etc. used to be. It seems that American politics absolutely, desperately needs a minority on whose backs they can fight their dualistic culture wars.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The American term would be "culture war", but I agree. This has become a bipartisan issue much like homosexuality, interracialism etc. used to be. It seems that American politics absolutely, desperately needs a minority on whose backs they can fight their dualistic culture wars.

I've often felt that these "culture wars" are, more or less, contrivances designed to distract the masses.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
They should have found a way to make sports co-ed by now. We can split atoms but can't bring genders together on one team. Sad really.
I would pay to see a professional male football team vs a female professional football team.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
They should have found a way to make sports co-ed by now. We can split atoms but can't bring genders together on one team. Sad really.
Splitting atoms is easy.
Social relationships are far more complex.
Many girls want to play sports with other girls.
Are they wrong to want this?

The issue is the possibility that some trans girls
would have an advantage perceived as unfair.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
This is an issue I've been looking into and reading about for some time now. I've learned quite a bit along the way, including the fact that I still have much to learn about transgender issues and various medical approaches. Regarding sports, the main thing to keep in mind is that women's sports were created for a reason....to provide women athletes space to play and compete. IOW, women's sports are protective, which means it's important to maintain that protection.

Another thing to keep in mind is that professional sports leagues like the NBA, NFL, PGA Tour, NHL, etc. are not "men's only". They are open to anyone who is good enough to play in them. The reason they are all male is because there aren't any women good enough to play in those leagues. Some women have tried, but have basically failed.

The NCAA currently has the following guidelines for transgender athletes....

1. A trans male (FTM) student-athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s team without changing that team status to a mixed team.

2. A trans female (MTF) student-athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression treatment.​

That seems reasonable to me, and I've shown this to a few transgender folks (online) and they agreed. So I think it would be reasonable for high schools to adopt the same policy for competitive sports. Pre-high school sports should generally be open to anyone, as the biological differences between the sexes hasn't fully kicked in.

The only issue I've seen with this approach is that it potentially excludes transgender athletes who can't afford the type of medical care required by the policy. I agree that's a problem, but I think it's a bigger problem of economics, access to health care in the US, and income inequality, which isn't going to be solved via athletics regulations.

So overall, it seems there's an obvious and fairly simple solution to this, and given the rarity of actual conflicts in the first place, there seems to be only one reason why it's not being widely implemented....conservative Christians have made transgenders their latest group of "others" that they hate on and seek to oppress. They lost the battle over gays, gay marriage, and gay rights, so now they're focusing all that hate on transgenders.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
They should have found a way to make sports co-ed by now. We can split atoms but can't bring genders together on one team. Sad really.
When you make sports open to everyone, they end up being all male. That's why women's sports leagues were created in the first place.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
When you make sports open to everyone, they end up being all male. That's why women's sports leagues were created in the first place.
Most competitive sports started out as all male, and they did so because at the time of their inception, women were barred - either legally or by intense social pressure - from competing in sports at all.
 

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Most competitive sports started out as all male, and they did so because at the time of their inception, women were barred - either legally or by intense social pressure - from competing in sports at all.
Yes they did, but that hasn't been the case for a very long time now.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
Yes they did, but that hasn't been the case for a very long time now.
Women's sports, too, exist for a very long time now, and you were talking about the origins of competitive women's sports, so I found my interjection somewhat appropriate. Your mileage may vary, of course.
 
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