CA Shooters most likely radical Islamic Extremists

[leibowde84]

They say they found evidence but how do we know it wasn't planted there? How do we know? These are suspects to, not convicts so how do we even know they were involved?

There are videos, surviving victims, witness testimony, and the shooters co-workers who have all confirmed these things.

 

[leibowde84]

He specifically said he wanted more boots on the ground and I don't think those soldiers are going over there for a picnic.

When did he say this? Can you provide a source?

 

[Theweirdtophat]

maybe you forgot 9/11

And what about it? Is that justification for hating over a billion people when they weren't involved? What if a few Ethiopians attacked? Would it be fair to go to war on the entire nation? That's insane.

 

[leibowde84]

He specifically said he wanted more boots on the ground and I don't think those soldiers are going over there for a picnic.


This is the thing with the war on terror,. It's a war with no end. Because they aren't fighting a state or country so there's no way to define a winner so the war goes on forever? Why do you think it hasn't ended? Or the war on poverty or war on drugs? They aren't going to end. And follow the money.

You keep on making claims about what Obama has said, but you haven't provided any sources to back them up.

 

[leibowde84]

And what about it? Is that justification for hating over a billion people when they weren't involved? What if a few Ethiopians attacked? Would it be fair to go to war on the entire nation? That's insane.

We aren't at war with Muslims. And, from my experience here, I haven't seen too much discrimination against Muslims that is any worse than that I have seen against homosexuals.

 

[columbus]

So much about this makes no sense.
If Farook was a disgruntled employee who lashed out at coworkers, why the arsenal? Why bring the wife and mother of your child, getting her killed too?
But if you are an ideological terrorist, why shoot up your coworkers at a party? Why not use your arsenal on the courthouse, a shopping mall, or meat market/ dance club?

There are just no motivations that make any sense to me at this time.
Tom

 

[Laika]

Thought some stats might be useful to give some context. http://ourworldindata.org/data/war-peace/terrorism/

Number of deaths from terrorism worldwide (excluding Iraq from 2003 and Afghanistan from 2001)

 

[leibowde84]

So much about this makes no sense.
If Farook was a disgruntled employee who lashed out at coworkers, why the arsenal? Why bring the wife and mother of your child, getting her killed too?
But if you are an ideological terrorist, why shoot up your coworkers at a party? Why not use your arsenal on the courthouse, a shopping mall, or meat market/ dance club?

There are just no motivations that make any sense to me at this time.
Tom

What they are saying is that the couple was planning something huge at a different location (they found 12 pipe bombs in their apartment), but that Farooq got in an argument with someone at work and snapped.

 

[freethinker44]

Today about 90 people will die in automobile accidents. About 90 died yesterday and about that many will die tomorrow. Today, about 40 people will be murdered as will happen every day this year. Yesterday, 230 women were raped. 230!!! I can't tell how frightening that number is to me. That's real terrorism for you.

Don't forget about all the starving kids in Africa!

 

[Theweirdtophat]

What they are saying is that the couple was planning something huge at a different location (they found 12 pipe bombs in their apartment), but that Farooq got in an argument with someone at work and snapped.

Why would the wife go along with it if he snapped. And who said it was their stuff and that it wasn't planted there?

 

[Jumi]

Why would the wife go along with it if he snapped. And said it was there stuff and that it wasn't planted there?

They were planning terror together already and the wife is supposed to obey the husband. I don't see what's so strange about that.

Probably they were offended by something that was said and decided to act earlier than they had planned.

 

[columbus]

And what about it? Is that justification for hating over a billion people when they weren't involved? What if a few Ethiopians attacked? Would it be fair to go to war on the entire nation? That's insane.

I'm certain that had some black guys pulled off 9/11 and the Ethiopian government gleefully taken responsibility for the attack, Ethiopia would now be a gravel pit.
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

I've got to say, at first I thought this incident wasn't related to international terrorism, but apparently it is looking more and more like that is the case. Yet, Obama came out today saying that the US is safe from ISIS. Does anyone else see this as a bit counter-intuitive?

I'd say that Obama has a case of premature pandering.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

They were planning terror together already and the wife is supposed to obey the husband. I don't see what's so strange about that.

Probably they were offended by something that was said and decided to act earlier than they had planned.

Except that this guy had no criminal record and all of a sudden decided to do this? Most of these shooters had no criminal record and people around them can't believe they'd do something like this. That's what I find strange.

 

[leibowde84]

Why would the wife go along with it if he snapped. And who said it was their stuff and that it wasn't planted there?

Because, this is the United States and we are innocent until proven guilty. That is the purpose of defense attorneys. If the evidence was planted, it will be excluded from trial, and the defense attorney will make sure of that. Evidence has to be verified and substantiated, so if it was planted, it will be discovered as being such. Until there is evidence of it being planted, it is unreasonable to assume that it was, imho. That is conspiracy theorist territory ... Dale Gribble style.

Also, do you have any evidence to suggest it was planted beyond it merely seeming, to you, to look like it is an attempt to make people hate Muslims? I have been paying attention to this specific incident, and I haven't seen any reason to believe that there is a massive conspiracy going on to plant evidence and frame this couple. But, I'm all ears if you have it.

 

[columbus]

Except that this guy had no criminal record and all of a sudden decided to do this? Most of these shooters had no criminal record and people around them can't believe they'd do something like this. That's what I find strange.

While we are inventing conspiracy theories...
Maybe Farook's brother inlaw Khan is seething because now they won't get to shoot/blow up LAX on Christmas Eve. You can't prove that isn't true.
Tom

 

[leibowde84]

Except that this guy had no criminal record and all of a sudden decided to do this? Most of these shooters had no criminal record and people around them can't believe they'd do something like this. That's what I find strange.

That can easily be explained by radicalization, which has been a proven problem throughout the world when it comes to ISIS recruiting. So, what makes it hard for you to believe?

 

[outhouse]

Is that justification for hating over a billion people

All the people no, how many is UP FOR DEBATE

The religion deserves criticism.

 

[leibowde84]

Why would the wife go along with it if he snapped. And who said it was their stuff and that it wasn't planted there?

Maybe they were radicalized together. Radicalization is a common occurance these days, especially with those who aren't criminals already.

 

[outhouse]

We aren't at war with Muslims

That's what the liberal agenda states.


We have been at war with muslims for a long time.

Not all muslism are a target or in combat.