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By Faith. Why?

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
As blacks are supposedly more suspectable to covid than other races in the U.S., around 23 to 13, and Haiti, a small country with a dense population, had 22 per million deaths versus the highly vaccinated US with a less dense population, had a death rate of 1800 per million which is around 90 times less, kind of negates your population density theory. I kind of doubt if large swaths of Africa had been inoculated with a tuberculosis vaccine. If that were the case, then the US should stop using covid vaccine, and start using tuberculosis vaccine. What is known is that deaths by covid have been overcounted in the US due to the scale in payment for covid death treatment was higher than for having one's head cut off in a motorcycle accident while positive testing for covid being called death by covid instead of by accident. While the deaths for the morbid obese was high in the US, because of the high number of obese, by reason of medical advice with respect to diet over the years, and the use of high processed foods, such as corn syrup and vegetable oils, urged by commercial enterprises, and originally backed by doctors. That obese status hasn't reached over 50% versus the 90 fold increase in deaths versus Haiti, or the 3-fold increase versus Africa. As for the age range of 20 versus 40 years old, that age range is not within the health risk range, which is for the very old, and the ratio of old to young in the US is in favor of the young at this time. While not everyone is obese or overweight in Africa, it is a sign of being rich, and being overweight and getting diabetes is a large problem in Africa, mostly because they drink, Coca Cola products, from the company which Bill Gates, a supporter of WHO, which supported Wuhan research, who owns a large share of stocks of Coca Cola Consolidated,
COVID-19 Death Rates Are Impressively Low In Haiti : Goats and Soda : NPR
Obesity in Africa – DW – 09/12/2019

There is a silent epidemic sweeping through Africa and it’s worse than HIV. Out of the 20 fastest rising countries with obesity, nearly half of them are in Africa.
The health burden on the continent is rising.Black Americans make up 13% of the US population. They make up 23% of COVID-19 deaths. - USAFacts

You throwing mud at the wall does not mean it will stick. I am sure the chickens will come home to roost, but in the meantime, do as you will.
You forgot why black people are more susceptible to Covid in the US. You need to learn the whole story. By mentioning how black people are more susceptible to the disease you just short yourself in the foot and supported vaccination.

As for your sources, when you find valid ones you need to read them. The whole article. Headlines do not count as support. Why were the death rates low for Haiti? Number one it , like Africa, is very young on average:

"The pandemic may have had less of an impact in Haiti, she says, because it's a young country. The average age is 23. COVID-19 infections tend to be less severe in younger people. It's also possible, she says, that a significant number of people were infected by the virus last summer, showed no symptoms and built up immunity. Also houses tend to be open with plenty of ventilation – air flow can knock the pathogen out of the picture."

Fresh air is also important. In the US and Europe the worst times were when people were shut up inside due to it being winter out. Check out the graph in the link. Our two worst outbreaks occurred in January. When people were forced into close contact for an extended period of time breathing the same air as everyone else:

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Fresh air will dilute the virus down to the point where it is much harder to catch.

Now, do you know why you shot yourself in the foot by referring to the US black population?
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
Keep thinking that if it makes you feel better. Keep in mind, that I might not share my meal worms with you, even though I might let you have some of the bugs that WEF hands out. On the other hand, I could feed the chickens with any meal worms or bugs you don't want.

The only " feeling" is a bit ofvdismay at
the grip of conspiracy theory.

And don't about my diet, there's little chance
I don't eat far better than you.
This thing about mealworms is just you being weird.
But we've noticed you buying into a lot of the
I sense you are fed.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Apparently, no one is without sin, and they will all die, for the result of sin is death. (Jeremiah 31:30). Apparently, you have not asked the right question. (Proverbs 14:12) & (Matthew 7:13-14)
James 1:15
Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.
Is that why mealworms die?
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Apparently, no one is without sin, and they will all die, for the result of sin is death. (Jeremiah 31:30). Apparently, you have not asked the right question. (Proverbs 14:12) & (Matthew 7:13-14)
James 1:15
Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.
None of the passages you quote actually tell us about God's offer of salvation from sin!

Let's look carefully at the logic:
Sin occurs when the law of God (inward and outward) is transgressed. Yes/No?

Man can only be sinless by doing everything required by the law. Yes/No?

Man (in Adam) is incapable of doing everything required by the law because of his inclination to sin (in the flesh). Yes/No?

Man is reliant on God to be his Saviour from sin. Yes/No?

Only Jesus has fulfilled all of the law righteously? Yes/No?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
None of the passages you quote actually tell us about God's offer of salvation from sin!

Let's look carefully at the logic:
Sin occurs when the law of God (inward and outward) is transgressed. Yes/No?

Man can only be sinless by doing everything required by the law. Yes/No?

Man (in Adam) is incapable of doing everything required by the law because of his inclination to sin (in the flesh). Yes/No?

Man is reliant on God to be his Saviour from sin. Yes/No?

Only Jesus has fulfilled all of the law righteously? Yes/No?

Sin appears only because of law. When there is no law, there is no sin. Before the invention of the automobile, it was not a sin to drive fast, since there was no law. Sin only appears when law defines a behavior as such. Drugs were not a sin in 1890. They became a sin in about 1920, based on a political issue by politicians to get votes.

The Twitter files show how Conservatives were targeted for censorship. In this case, Liberal and Swamp law imposed on using Twitter, made it a sin to have any strong and effective Conservative opinion. Those who had such opinions and who did not self censor, sinned by Liberal and Swamp law. The wage of that sin was censorship, suspended accounts, and shadow banding. On the other hand, it was not against the law for any Liberal to have an equally strong and effective opinion; no sin was imposed. The same behavior had two outcomes, based on whether the law targets you or not. Law defines sin. Sin is not based on natural law like science.

Now, it is not longer a sin, by the laws of Twitter, for everyone to have free speech, with a few exceptions, like promoting violence or perversion with minors. Now the same Conservatives do not sin, for saying the same things, simply because the law of Twitter, no longer defines it that way.

Sin is only imputed where there is law. While 99.99% of all law is made by man and not by God. This is why Jesus did away with law, through the forgiveness of sins. Law and sin can became a rigged game Twitter and the Swamp. Forgiveness of sin, by taking away the punishment of the law, has the same end result as no law; nobody gets punished for manmade up sin, created by man made law. Man made up sin is usually designed for one group to control or bully another. This is not from God. It is why death was predicted to come to humans; rebellion and war to make it right.

The Ten Commandment can fit on a single page. Anyone can memorize it. The EPA, which is laws of man, has about 75,000 pages, mostly to justify all the extra paper pusher jobs needed for union jobs petitioned through campaign donations. Which defines the most sins? The EPA laws are not simple and will require a lawyer, thereby making it easier to decoy the common man into sin; ignorance is not an excuse for behavior you did for generations before sin was defined. One is required to pay one way or the other or you will sin; money offering to the gods of EPA.

Jesus saw this human scum bag problem and forgave nonsense sins, so people would not become psychologically damaged by fear of sin, to natural life. Jesus still went along with the bare-bones set of the ten Commandments given by God. He made it even easier, by reducing it to 2; love God and your neighbor. This was not as much of a burden; 2 simple rules, versus 75,000 pages of law that need lawyers, for one regulatory agency, alone.

Jesus also went on to say the righteous man shall live by faith, which means, under the context of minimal law. One learns the barebones when young, and then you let your conscience be your guide; inner natural man helps you to know wha to sow in the context of each life situation. You are no longer a slave to law and sin; child of the bondwoman, but a child of God; free at last.
 
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Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Sin appears only because of law. When there is no law, there is no sin. Before the invention of the automobile, it was not a sin to drive fast, since there was no law. Sin only appears when law defines a behavior as such. Drugs were not a sin in 1890. They became a sin in about 1920, based on a political issue by politicians to get votes.

The Twitter files show how Conservatives were targeted for censorship. In this case, Liberal and Swamp law imposed on using Twitter, made it a sin to have any strong and effective Conservative opinion. Those who had such opinions and who did not self censor, sinned by Liberal and Swamp law. The wage of that sin was censorship, suspended accounts, and shadow banding. On the other hand, it was not against the law for any Liberal to have an equally strong and effective opinion; no sin was imposed. The same behavior had two outcomes, based on whether the law targets you or not. Law defines sin. Sin is not based on natural law like science.

Now, it is not longer a sin, by the laws of Twitter, for everyone to have free speech, with a few exceptions, like promoting violence or perversion with minors. Now the same Conservatives do not sin, for saying the same things, simply because the law of Twitter, no longer defines it that way.

Sin is only imputed where there is law. While 99.99% of all law is made by man and not by God. This is why Jesus did away with law, through the forgiveness of sins. Law and sin can became a rigged game Twitter and the Swamp. Forgiveness of sin, by taking away the punishment of the law, has the same end result as no law; nobody gets punished for manmade up sin, created by man made law. Man made up sin is usually designed for one group to control or bully another. This is not from God. It is why death was predicted to come to humans; rebellion and war to make it right.

The Ten Commandment can fit on a single page. Anyone can memorize it. The EPA, which is laws of man, has about 75,000 pages, mostly to justify all the extra paper pusher jobs needed for union jobs petitioned through campaign donations. Which defines the most sins? The EPA laws are not simple and will require a lawyer, thereby making it easier to decoy the common man into sin; ignorance is not an excuse for behavior you did for generations before sin was defined. One is required to pay one way or the other or you will sin; money offering to the gods of EPA.

Jesus saw this human scum bag problem and forgave nonsense sins, so people would not become psychologically damaged by fear of sin, to natural life. Jesus still went along with the bare-bones set of the ten Commandments given by God. He made it even easier, by reducing it to 2; love God and your neighbor. This was not as much of a burden; 2 simple rules, versus 75,000 pages of law that need lawyers, for one regulatory agency, alone.

Jesus also went on to say the righteous man shall live by faith, which means, under the context of minimal law. One learns the barebones when young, and then you let your conscience be your guide; inner natural man helps you to know wha to sow in the context of each life situation. You are no longer a slave to law and sin; child of the bondwoman, but a child of God; free at last.
I agree with you. We receive the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ. This means that we are to live by the righteousness of Christ and not our own righteousness (as occurs under the law).

Tell this to 2ndpillar!
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
None of the passages you quote actually tell us about God's offer of salvation from sin!

Let's look carefully at the logic:
Sin occurs when the law of God (inward and outward) is transgressed. Yes/No?

Man can only be sinless by doing everything required by the law. Yes/No?

Man (in Adam) is incapable of doing everything required by the law because of his inclination to sin (in the flesh). Yes/No?

Man is reliant on God to be his Saviour from sin. Yes/No?

Only Jesus has fulfilled all of the law righteously? Yes/No?

The "law", God's ordinances, were given to His people, to keep them holy. They did not keep his laws, which were given when they decided to worship the golden calf when he was presenting his LAW to Moses. They did not keep his ordinances, but as shown in Ezekiel 36 & 37, they will keep his "ordinances" and "statutes" once they are given a "new heart", and a "new spirit", as was previewed in 1 John 3:9, whereas no one "born of God" can sin, and those who "sin" are born of the devil (1 John 3:8). Yeshua's relief per his kingdom message, was that one must confess their sins, then repent of sinning again, producing fruit in line with the repentance, and being baptized (Matthew 3). If one does all the above, and does not produce "good" fruit, they will be cut down and thrown into the fire. Was he too vague in his description? And no, Yeshua was not God, but a son of God, which is what anyone who does the will of God becomes. And Yeshua said he came to fulfill the Law and the prophets Matthew 5:17, and they have not all been fulfilled at this time. The 7th day of rest, which represents the 7th millennium, is near, but not here, plus "everyone dies for their own iniquities" (Jeremiah 31:30).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Is that why mealworms die?

Apparently, they will die because that is the only food the WEF will provide you with, and you will either eat them or die yourself. The greatest love is for man to sacrifice themselves for their friend. Maybe you should ponder now whether you want to eat your meal worm allowance or let them live. It seems one of the biggest meal worm producers is I think in Norway, and there is a podcast on their meal worm production, hopefully to help meet the current WEF policy. Or maybe you can become a vegetarian, whereas all the crops are sprayed, killing the worms and the birds and the bees. Plus, since plants grow better in the presence of good music, maybe they are not ready to sacrifice their time on earth to fill your belly. It comes down to the WEF solution, that your space on earth isn't sustainable, and maybe it is better that you become part of the earth, or maybe become soylent green, a reference that the Tic Tok generation Z may not be familiar with
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Yeshua's relief per his kingdom message, was that one must confess their sins, then repent of sinning again, producing fruit in line with the repentance, and being baptized (Matthew 3). If one does all the above, and does not produce "good" fruit, they will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
What do you think happens when a person is 'baptized'?
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The only " feeling" is a bit ofvdismay at
the grip of conspiracy theory.

And don't about my diet, there's little chance
I don't eat far better than you.
This thing about mealworms is just you being weird.
But we've noticed you buying into a lot of the
I sense you are fed.

The Chinese I know sharpened their English usage from watching "Friends", and they were quite understandable, and often spoke better English than most Americans, but your English use seems to be coming from someplace like Tic Tok, which I am not familiar with, and therefore, have a little problem following your train of thought. WEF is not a conspiracy, and it is subsidized by Bill Gates, the friend of Epstein and his black mail underage island, who subsidizes WHO and the production of highly processed pant-based foods. Since your snapshot photo doesn't present you as overweight, then maybe you are not familiar with the effects of highly processed foods, for which the meal worms may be a step up.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
What do you think happens when a person is 'baptized'?

It kind of depends. If you are baptized in "fire" (Mt 3), such as being thrown into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:30), as with the priest of Levi, the 1/3 that survive will be refined. If you are baptized in water, that will only be an external symbolism of what is supposed to happen internally, such as circumcision is supposed to symbolize the circumcision of the heart as spoke of by Moses. As for baptism of the Spirit, the anointing, well king Saul was anointed, yet apparently things didn't work out too well for him, but apparently it was in the plan. The proof is in the pudding. If one acts righteously as spoken by John, well, that speaks well for them with respect to being born of God, which entails the dying to the flesh. If they sin, well their spiritual father appears to be the devil, and they were born of the tare seed, the message of lawlessness (Matthew 13:39-42).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
You forgot why black people are more susceptible to Covid in the US. You need to learn the whole story. By mentioning how black people are more susceptible to the disease you just short yourself in the foot and supported vaccination.

As for your sources, when you find valid ones you need to read them. The whole article. Headlines do not count as support. Why were the death rates low for Haiti? Number one it , like Africa, is very young on average:

"The pandemic may have had less of an impact in Haiti, she says, because it's a young country. The average age is 23. COVID-19 infections tend to be less severe in younger people. It's also possible, she says, that a significant number of people were infected by the virus last summer, showed no symptoms and built up immunity. Also houses tend to be open with plenty of ventilation – air flow can knock the pathogen out of the picture."

Fresh air is also important. In the US and Europe the worst times were when people were shut up inside due to it being winter out. Check out the graph in the link. Our two worst outbreaks occurred in January. When people were forced into close contact for an extended period of time breathing the same air as everyone else:

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Fresh air will dilute the virus down to the point where it is much harder to catch.

Now, do you know why you shot yourself in the foot by referring to the US black population?

Well, now let us sit down and look at the figures for California which has a fair number of young people, has plenty of fresh air, and sunshine yet their highly vaccinated death rate is around 18 times higher than Haiti. Are you inferring that "herd" immunity is a real thing. Maybe you should write a letter to CDC and let them know that therefore having the children play together with their school windows open and get covid would be the be best for America. Did you read the latest WSJ article whereas it pointed out the CDC approved the newest booster without proper testing for safety and effectiveness, and found out it was in fact ineffective, and without testing, do not know whether it is safe. (1) Yikes: WSJ *Just* Exposed Covid Vaccines - Media *FLIPS* - YouTube
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
The Chinese I know sharpened their English usage from watching "Friends", and they were quite understandable, and often spoke better English than most Americans, but your English use seems to be coming from someplace like Tic Tok, which I am not familiar with, and therefore, have a little problem following your train of thought. WEF is not a conspiracy, and it is subsidized by Bill Gates, the friend of Epstein and his black mail underage island, who subsidizes WHO and the production of highly processed pant-based foods. Since your snapshot photo doesn't present you as overweight, then maybe you are not familiar with the effects of highly processed foods, for which the meal worms may be a step up.
I'm better educated than you,
so save your concern for yourself.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Apparently, they will die because that is the only food the WEF will provide you with, and you will either eat them or die yourself. The greatest love is for man to sacrifice themselves for their friend. Maybe you should ponder now whether you want to eat your meal worm allowance or let them live. It seems one of the biggest meal worm producers is I think in Norway, and there is a podcast on their meal worm production, hopefully to help meet the current WEF policy. Or maybe you can become a vegetarian, whereas all the crops are sprayed, killing the worms and the birds and the bees. Plus, since plants grow better in the presence of good music, maybe they are not ready to sacrifice their time on earth to fill your belly. It comes down to the WEF solution, that your space on earth isn't sustainable, and maybe
it is better that you become part of the earth, or maybe become soylent green, a reference that the Tic Tok generation Z may not be familiar with
I never look at tic tok and I know about your
solvent green.

For you I'd suggest a complete change of
place, acquaintances, occupation, and
reading material.
That's probably the only way to deprogram
yourself from your cult(s) and generally
insensible thought patterns.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I never look at tic tok and I know about your
solvent green.

For you I'd suggest a complete change of
place, acquaintances, occupation, and
reading material.
That's probably the only way to deprogram
yourself from your cult(s) and generally
insensible thought patterns.

Actually, it isn't my "solvent green", it is the soylent green type of product (based on soy beans) pushed by your WEF supporter Bill Gates, who is pushing "Beyond meat" stock, and the production of fake meat, of which "soylent green" is comparable. Thankfully the Vegans hate the stuff, and no one is buying it. Apparently, you are the one who has made a "complete change" of place if you no longer live in China. I just watched a podcast about the latest WSJ article, and its effect on Progressive socialist progressive indoctrination on the use of the current covid booster, I will try and leave a link. I also watched a podcast about the Chinese "weather balloon, and it summarized Xi's background which sets up his line of action. You should check on Xi's background. I think maybe it wouldn't hurt if you broadened your perspective beyond watching CNN. (1) Yikes: WSJ *Just* Exposed Covid Vaccines - Media *FLIPS* - YouTube
What is sensible to some, is "insensible" to others. Exercise and proper diet often helps people overcome sensing problems, if sensible reading material is added to the mix.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Actually, it isn't my "solvent green", it is the soylent green type of product (based on soy beans) pushed by your WEF supporter Bill Gates, who is pushing "Beyond meat" stock, and the production of fake meat, of which "soylent green" is comparable. Thankfully the Vegans hate the stuff, and no one is buying it. Apparently, you are the one who has made a "complete change" of place if you no longer live in China. I just watched a podcast about the latest WSJ article, and its effect on Progressive socialist progressive indoctrination on the use of the current covid booster, I will try and leave a link. I also watched a podcast about the Chinese "weather balloon, and it summarized Xi's background which sets up his line of action. You should check on Xi's background. I think maybe it wouldn't hurt if you broadened your perspective beyond watching CNN. (1) Yikes: WSJ *Just* Exposed Covid Vaccines - Media *FLIPS* - YouTube
What is sensible to some, is "insensible" to others. Exercise and proper diet often helps people overcome sensing problems, if sensible reading material is added to the mix.
I never watch CNN.
Try to stop hallucinating
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I'm better educated than you,
so save your concern for yourself.

I will admit that you appear to have gone to a "woke" western indoctrinating University, and may have received a diploma, but the question is, what is the diploma in, what is the name of the college, and is it connected with the Chinese student lawsuit in California about discrimination centered around misconduct? You will find out the "irredeemable" Americans have little respect for the "woke" college degrees. Apparently, big Tech doesn't either, for a lot of them just laid off 10% of their work force. The favorite of Progressives is Bill Gates, who never graduated from any college. The poster children of Progressives who graduated from big name colleges are Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris, the epitome of what not to be, or how to think, or not to think. Your "faith" seems to be in a college diploma, and the experts they supposedly produce. I suggest that you look at the facts and not your feelings based on indoctrinated think patterns.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I will admit that you appear to have gone to a "woke" western indoctrinating University, and may have received a diploma, but the question is, what is the diploma in, what is the name of the college, and is it connected with the Chinese student lawsuit in California about discrimination centered around misconduct? You will find out the "irredeemable" Americans have little respect for the "woke" college degrees. Apparently, big Tech doesn't either, for a lot of them just laid off 10% of their work force. The favorite of Progressives is Bill Gates, who never graduated from any college. The poster children of Progressives who graduated from big name colleges are Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris, the epitome of what not to be, or how to think, or not to think. Your "faith" seems to be in a college diploma, and the experts they supposedly produce. I suggest that you look at the facts and not your feelings based on indoctrinated think patterns.

Your last suggestion does have an element
of humor, tho I'd modify it a bit and recommend
you stop inventing facts. They are not facts, good semse or particularly cool.
I dont expect much good sense from anyone
who believes in Noah's ark, but honestly!

That btw is " faith". I don't do faith.


Actually, though, you'd like some facts better than your fantasy. People in Hong Kong have no use for you Americans' "woke" garbage.
I don't. It's frivolous and stupid. No way
your people are going to infect me with it.

Thereso shortage of fringy liberals at Universities I attended, but they had no doubts that I'm to the right of the Great Kahn an tha
I really am a descendant.

I wouldn't waste my time with any of the stupid
courses on feminism, race, equity, whatever.
Biology / geology, and after my BSc, went to
a different U to study law.

For all we are way way different I'm far more on your side than your imagination has misled you. Not remotely your friend but
you could settle for enemy of your enemy.

As for getting a job? I studied because I like
to, I was interested and wanted to prove I
could do it.

Not to get a job. Heavens. I don't want a
job. I don't need no stinking' job!
'Tech layoffs". :D. Funny guy.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
It kind of depends. If you are baptized in "fire" (Mt 3), such as being thrown into the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:30), as with the priest of Levi, the 1/3 that survive will be refined. If you are baptized in water, that will only be an external symbolism of what is supposed to happen internally, such as circumcision is supposed to symbolize the circumcision of the heart as spoke of by Moses. As for baptism of the Spirit, the anointing, well king Saul was anointed, yet apparently things didn't work out too well for him, but apparently it was in the plan. The proof is in the pudding. If one acts righteously as spoken by John, well, that speaks well for them with respect to being born of God, which entails the dying to the flesh. If they sin, well their spiritual father appears to be the devil, and they were born of the tare seed, the message of lawlessness (Matthew 13:39-42).
The baptism of John, in water and unto repentance, is distinguished in the NT from the baptism of Jesus Christ. This latter baptism did not take place until the day of Pentecost, and was the coming of the 'Comforter', the Holy Spirit.

Where, in your theology, do we see the coming of the Holy Spirit? For, it's the baptism in the Holy Spirit that Jesus came to bring.

As John says, 'l indeed baptise with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than l, whose shoes l am not worthy to bear; he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire'.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The baptism of John, in water and unto repentance, is distinguished in the NT from the baptism of Jesus Christ. This latter baptism did not take place until the day of Pentecost, and was the coming of the 'Comforter', the Holy Spirit.

Where, in your theology, do we see the coming of the Holy Spirit? For, it's the baptism in the Holy Spirit that Jesus came to bring.

As John says, 'l indeed baptise with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than l, whose shoes l am not worthy to bear; he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire'.

The feast of Weeks comes after 50 days, starting after the Sabbath, following the waving of the sheaths (Passover)(14th of Nissan), and the sacrificing of the "lamb without defect". (Leviticus 23:12). Your Gentile Pentecost comes 50 days after Easter, the feast of Astarte, the pagan queen of heaven, as set at the Council of Nicaea, convened by the "beast with two horns like a lamb", the Roman emperor Constantine. Yeshua was baptized in the Spirit following being immersed in the water, not on Pentecost. (Matthew 3:16). According to Yeshua, per John 8:17, it takes more than your one source from the unknown author of Acts to establish any matter.

Leviticus 23:5
5‘In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is the LORD’S Passover. 6‘Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. 7‘On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work. 8‘But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to the LORD. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.’”
9Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 10“Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘When you enter the land which I am going to give to you and reap its harvest, then you shall bring in the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest. 11‘He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. 12‘Now on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb one year old without defect for a burnt offering to the LORD
 
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