That assumes you have an inherent right to do "Y". In this case Y is entering someone's private business. That's not an inherent right.
Do you feel the same way when you are required to wear a shirt and shoes in a restaurant?
Do you feel the same way when you are required not to drink and then hop into a car and drive?
I can't compare it to shirts, socks, even masks. If you go in without a shirt, they tell you you need to come back with a shirt on. You go home, get a shirt, go by your (I don't know) couch, and leave the store.
Vaccines is just not like that. I even hear that you may have to keep vaccinating yourself each year. In NY, with their vaccination card
COVID-19 Vaccine: Get the Facts If I remember correctly, there are three types of cards. The second and third type are temporary and you have to get vaccinated again to keep that card validated--to go to stores, concerts, and such.
Socks/shoes/clothes are hardly a good example of this.
You don't have to. You also don't have a right to enter any particular business no matter what.
Its coersion.
For example, if unvaccinated John can't go into 99% of stores, he is "forced" to stay home (or isolated) until he gets the vaccine. The media, health officials, even the president is "urging" people to get the vaccine then saying its voluntary. Either its mandatory or not. They are trying to convince people to get this vaccine-in a health related emergency, that's one of the last things you want to do is be passive aggressive in pushing something thats supposed to help the entire nation. Too much politics involved.
I haven't mentioned a single thing about politics.
Politics has zero to do with any of this.
I'm not attacking you. I'm having a conversation with you. You seem to think you have rights that you actually don't.
No. I'm just giving my opinion. That's an assumption, but no... the fact is I'm not.
Perhaps you should start thinking about it.
Seriously?
Shoes/socks versus a health emergency?
I cant potentially put people in danger without a shirt on....and since I am a female, I can't but many males can. So, it's not a good example.
Sarcasm, I mean. But it's fine, I get anzy too.
They're just material that contain the moist droplets that come out of your mouth and nose when you talk, cough, sneeze, etc. Which is how COVID is spread.
Why don't you tell surgeons, nurses and doctors that they're "just material" so why bother wearing them at all?
Because they don't wear their masks outside the surgery room and depending on the patients condition, the patients room either. So, it would be silly to wear a mask when there is two people in a huge store but it makes sense if you're in a store say Walmart during the holidays.
I know how it spreads and what the masks (and vaccines) are for. I just feel each has its place. Like surgeon masks don't really help when you're in the restroom but they help somewhat when you're operating (of course you need a gown, gloves, and sanitation).
"Fun note:" Gallaudet University in DC gives gowns and masks to on compass visitors. I don't know if they are doing that for the rest of the DC area.
Again, there is no forcing going on.
Its coercion (above)
It's not silly. We're in the middle of a public health emergency.
"Then don't get a vaccine, and don't go into stores that require them for entry."
It is silly. That would mean either a. unvaccinated people should stay home or b. convince/coerce them to get it without their say so.
Why do you think so?
"Forcing" customers to wear shoes and shirts is a matter of health, cleanliness and safety.
The pandemic is definitely a matter of health, cleanliness and safety.
Did you know if you want to travel to certain countries, you first have to show proof that you've been vaccinated for specific illnesses or they won't let you in?
That's been the case for decades now. Do you think peoples' rights are being infringed in that case? I'd be curious to hear why or why not.
The two don't even compare.
I can understand vaccinations traveling out of the country, taking care of people (say children, hospital, etc), and being in a highly populated area like NY.
But you were comparing it to socks and shoes not going out of the country.
I think people are trying to convince other people to take this vaccine. Whether they do or not depends on the situation but I do not feel it should be mandatory but under the discretion of the person---when it comes to businesses.
I was correcting you. I didn't say force as in pushing or shoving. I was using force as a means of coercion.
I disagree. And I'm not sure this addresses what I said, which was, "I too, value peoples' right to choose what is medically best for their well being. I also value the rights of others who choose not to endanger their staff and customers by potentially exposing them to a highly transmissible/deadly/damaging virus in their place of business."
I'm still wondering what "rights" you have here that are being trampled?
Do you value rights of those who choose not to get the vaccine?
Rights shouldn't be one-sided, right?
Everyone tries to compare everything to Nazi things. I don't see how it's related.
I guess. That was the first I came across it. I see the point of the comparison: segregating vaccine vs unvaccinated people as they do blacks/whites, jews/nazi, and so forth. However, the purpose is quite different between the two.
I think the comparison only works if they make the vaccines mandatory.
So, basically, some of you guys are saying that if they don't don't take the vaccine, wear masks, etc... you ARE putting people in danger. That's ridiculous.
You said "you are"... that's not a fact. You cannot put people in danger unless the virus exists for that danger and level of "actual" not perceived risk to exist.
For example, if I did not have the virus and came to you without a mask, I'm not putting you in danger. I don't have anything to spread. The level of risk is not existant.
It's an intelligent assumption that I "may" have the virus, but it just depends on how concerned you are of catching it-which is justified. Many people with anxiety feel they are in danger when its only perceived in their head. Others feel they are in danger because they have health conditions and other valid means of being cautious over their well-being.
It doesn't mean these people (one with anxiety and one with health conditions) ARE in danger, it just means they are taking it safe than sorry because taking precautions of a perceived danger can't hurt you compared to if you don't care unless you are in actual danger.
