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Businesses Requiring Vaccine Passports

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Mar 31, 2021.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Battle rages over vaccine passports
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    Republicans are up in arms over the possibility that businesses and local governments may require vaccine passports for people to get access to certain activities, buildings or events.

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) has urged his state’s GOP-controlled legislature to pass a law forbidding passes showing proof of coronavirus vaccination, while vowing to take executive action. Congressional Republicans have similarly slammed the passports, framing them as invasive.

    The Biden administration has said it will provide guidance on the matter, but signaled the decisions will largely be left up to local governments and business owners.

    “We’re going to provide guidance, just as we have through the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention],” White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Monday. “There’s currently an interagency process that is looking at many of the questions around vaccine verification.”
     
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  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    I like the idea.
    Businesses could open sooner.
    Things would be safer.
    But it's racist.
    Blacks are less likely to get vaccinated.
    Whaddaya think?
     
  3. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Caritas Christi Urget Nos
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    It's terrifying and should be banned. Screw IBM.
     
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  4. Regiomontanus

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    Sure, why not. I like NY's voluntary approach. Racist? Maybe this program will encourage more folks of all colors to get the vaccine?
     
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  5. SomeRandom

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    Wait why are blacks less likely to get vaccinated?
     
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    I think it is by choice?

    "(Reuters) - The percentage of U.S. Black adults who say they have either received a vaccine shot for COVID-19 or want one as soon as possible rose to 55% in March from 41% in February, a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) showed."

    COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy among Black Americans drops - poll
     
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  7. beenherebeforeagain

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    Apparently, so are white Republicans...
     
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    Yes, please have some sort of vaccine passport as a requirement. It would allow the safe opening of air travel, restaurants, etc.
     
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  9. Regiomontanus

    Regiomontanus άντρας των αστεριών

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    Yep.

    "Fewer than half of Republicans said they have either received at least one dose of the vaccine or intend to get it compared to about eight in 10 Democrats, the report said.

    This is in line with some recent polls which showed that Republicans have been reluctant to get vaccinated."

    (link above)
     
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  10. The Hammer

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    Personally I like the idea, as well. Businesses can open sooner, could be used as proof to attend things like concerts or crowded bars for a time maybe.

    I don't think a vaccine passport itself is racist.

    But there are racist underpinnings to the hesitancy of some blacks to get vaccinated, thanks to things like Tuskegee.
     
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  11. Revoltingest

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    I've read of distrust of medical services supplied by government.
    (Bad record there.) Relative poverty could cause it too.
     
  12. Revoltingest

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    But that wouldn't be racist.
     
  13. Revoltingest

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    How so?
     
  14. Batya

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    I am absolutely against the idea. Making the vaccine mandatory (and voluntary is really just a step away from mandatory, in my opinion) completely goes against people's right to choose for themselves. I think this is all just another thing bringing us right down the road to totalitarianism.
     
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  15. Revoltingest

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    But as a business owner, I have the right to determine
    who enters my facility when safety is at stake. For
    example, I can require hard hats on construction sites.
    Then too, no one has the right to infect others.
     
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    Because you shouldn't be forced to get an experimental vaccine from a shady company just to function as normal in society. I'm not going to be the guinea pig for this. I do not see this going far in America as Americans tend to value basic liberties. Or so I hoped.
     
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    Funny how those "bodily autonomy" arguments don't matter when it comes to this. :rolleyes:
     
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    I am scheduled to be vaccinated this Easter Sunday.. I am so looking forward to getting my vaccine passport. Please let us consider having more persons of color administering the vaccine in order to earn the trust of colorful skinned persons to get vaccinated.
     
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    As long as the opportunity is there for everyone to get vaccinated at no cost then it is hardly racist if a group refuses to get vaccinated at a higher percentage. There is not much difference in this sort of limitation than "No shoes, no shirt, no service".
     
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    I strongly disagree. It is no more than saying you can't go barefoot into certain establishments.

    It is still the right of the *businesses* to choose for themselves. But it will encourage those who are not vaccinated to get a shot and show people that are that the business cares for the health of its customers.
     
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    I just found out today that I am now eligible in my state. They lowered the bar to anyone over 60 years old along with other loosening of limitations.

    And locally there are quite a few "persons of color" in the medical profession. When it comes to those that can give injections there are quite a few Asians, in fact a surprisingly large percentage. Do Asians count as being a person of color? My current care giver is Asian by the way, From India by her looks, though she could be from any surrounding countries.
     
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