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Buddha talked of purification of self

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, May 14, 2012.

  1. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    Buddha talked purification of self and purification of the society from the influences of Mara or the Evil-One or the devil.

    The Atheists/Agnostics/Sceptics don’t subscribe to such concepts; hence Buddha does not belong to them and they don’t belong to Buddha.
     
  2. chinu

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    Actually what's the question you are asking ? or you are telling something ? and why ? :)
     
  3. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    I did not ask any question. I am just telling that Buddha was not an atheist; it is wrong to say that. The atheist give an impression that Buddha was an atheist.
     
  4. Gjallarhorn

    Gjallarhorn N'yog-Sothep

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    Who are you to say what I, as an atheist, personally believe? Is Mara a god? No? Then atheism is perfectly compatible. Agnosticism is a position of knowledge, once again having nothing to do with this statement. Skepticism was endorsed by Buddha in the Kalama Sutra. Get over yourself.
     
  5. Marble

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    I don't tink that devil is a correct description of Mara.
    Is is simply a mirror of your ego, displaying ones hidden weeknesses (selfishness, greed, jealousy,...).
     
  6. A Troubled Man

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    That's nice. :seesaw:
     
  7. chinu

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    Let them say what they want to.. You can believe as what you want. Nobody can froce you, or disturb you. :)
     
  8. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Da da da.......dee dee da dee dee dee.
     
  9. paarsurrey

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    Thanks for your post.
     
  10. paarsurrey

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    I agree with you; the negative attributes of humans are collectively named as devil or evil-one for an easy understanding.
     
  11. paarsurrey

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    I just expressed what I believe very sincerely; others are welcome to differ with me with reasons and or continue believing what they believe. No intention to hurt anybody.
     
  12. Gjallarhorn

    Gjallarhorn N'yog-Sothep

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    So, are you debating, or are you preaching? If you are debating, do so.
     
  13. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Then why is this in the debate forum? There are Journal and Dharmic DIR's available if you wish to express and discuss your personal views. It would be interesting as to how you came about to the view that you adhere to.
     
  14. paarsurrey

    paarsurrey Veteran Member

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    I think the word "Skepticism" has not been used in the Kalama Sutra.

    I find following remarks about it:


    "However, as stated by Bhikkhu Bodhi, this teaching is not intended as an endorsement for either radical skepticism or as for the creation of unreasonable personal truth:
    “ On the basis of a single passage, quoted out of context, the Buddha has been made out to be a pragmatic empiricist who dismisses all doctrine and faith, and whose Dhamma is simply a freethinker's kit to truth which invites each one to accept and reject whatever he likes.[5]"

    Kalama Sutta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  15. Gjallarhorn

    Gjallarhorn N'yog-Sothep

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    I found those too, and I don't see how they are relevant. Like it says, he was not endorsing radical skepticism. He was endorsing skepticism.
     
  16. paarsurrey

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    "Radical skepticism or radical scepticism is the philosophical position that knowledge is most likely impossible.[1] Radical skeptics hold that doubt exists as to the veracity of every belief and that certainty is therefore never justified. To determine the extent to which it is possible to respond to radical skeptical challenges is the task of epistemology or "the theory of knowledge".[2]
    The Ancient Greek philosophers Plato, Cratylus and Pyrrho as well as Roman philosopher Sextus Empiricus are among those who expounded theories of radical skepticism. As radical skepticism can be used as an objection for most or all beliefs, many philosophers have attempted to refute it. For example, Bertrand Russell wrote “Skepticism, while logically impeccable, is psychologically impossible, and there is an element of frivolous insincerity in any philosophy which pretends to accept it.”[3]"

    Radical skepticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Buddha neither supports radical skepticism nor any other form of skepticism; his enlightenment/revelation lead him to certainties, so he did not support any form/s of skepticism.
     
  17. Gjallarhorn

    Gjallarhorn N'yog-Sothep

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    Like I said, not radical skepticism. Would you like to link to the article of skepticism, or are you going to continue misrepresenting my statements?
     
  18. paarsurrey

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    The Kalama Sutra

    I got the Kalama Sutra from the above link; I used the find button <control+F> for words "atheism, atheists, agnosticism, agnostics, Skepticism, skeptics"; I found nowhere Buddha supporting Skepticism or the like.

    I don't think Buddha endorsed "atheism, atheists, agnosticism, agnostics, Skepticism, skeptics".
     
  19. Gjallarhorn

    Gjallarhorn N'yog-Sothep

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    So you lack the ability to extract meaning from text. Not surprising.
     
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    I think radical is used as extreme or fundamental (Skepticism).
     
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