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Featured Buddha and Christ identical Beings

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by InvestigateTruth, Mar 17, 2019.

  1. InvestigateTruth

    InvestigateTruth Well-Known Member

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    Look at the statement of Buddha about Himself:


    "I am chief of the world,
    Eldest am I in the world,
    Foremost am I in the world.
    This is the last birth.
    There is now no more coming to be."
    Miracles of Gautama Buddha - Wikipedia


    Now, compare and see how those statements are the same as what Jesus said about Himself:

    1.
    Jesus said, I am the first, before Abraham I was
    Buddha said, Eldest am I in the world,

    2.
    Jesus said I am the Last.
    Buddha said, This is the last birth, There is now no more coming to be."

    3.
    Jesus said, He is the King, as Messiah is the King by definition.
    Buddha said I am chief of the world,


    And in the words of Bahaullah:


    "They are at the same time the Exponents of both the “first” and the “last.” Whilst established upon the seat of the “first,” they occupy the throne of the “last.” Were a discerning eye to be found, it will readily perceive that the exponents of the “first” and the “last,” of the “manifest” and the “hidden,” of the “beginning” and the “seal” are none other than these holy Beings, these Essences of Detachment, these divine Souls. " Bahaullah, Book of Iqan
     
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  2. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
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    You might be cherry-picking apocryphal quotations.

    Christian and Buddhist theology and metaphysics are pretty different.
     
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  3. InvestigateTruth

    InvestigateTruth Well-Known Member

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    Just because, Jesus, and Buddha, have different teachings, does not mean, They are not the same.

    You might want to look at this thread as well:
    Can Non-Abrahamics and Abrahamics be from same God?
     
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  4. Vinayaka

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    Pretty? That's an understatement. I'd say VERY.

    But this thread isn't surprising, considering the source. It is what Baha'i's believe. Another 'religious debate' just to proselytize.
     
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  5. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
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    Their entire metaphysics is different. Their conceptions of life, the world and reality are totally different.
     
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    When you look at most of the religious teachings and their teachers you will find simmilarities.
    Why? because in the case of buddha and jesus, Both Jesus and Buddha was enlighten beings, they even hold the same wisdom level of the truth. But their teachings was made for different people(Asian vs Middle eastern, and European,
    Jesus talk a lot about love, buddha talk about compassion, same teaching seen from different viewpoints

    If you look at this way. a mountain with many paths to the top. the top is the ultimate truth that can been understood. the different teaching are same as the different paths up a mountain.
     
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  7. wizanda

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    Yeshua warns in all 3 Synoptic Gospels (Luke 21:8, Mark 13:5-6, Matthew 24:4-5) that the deception will happen by the "I Am" statements.

    Luke 21:8 He said, “Watch out that you don’t get led astray, for many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am (G1473 G1510) ,’ and, ‘The time is at hand.’ Therefore don’t follow them.

    John is made up, first and last paragraph of Revelation are additions.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Both Billy Madison and I said...

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    We're not identical beings...
    ...no matter what Baha'ullah says.​
     
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  9. InvestigateTruth

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    Just because they seem to be very different, does not mean, Jesus, and Buddha are not the same Suppernatural Being. They, both essentially teach virtues. Albeit, because they appeared in different cultures, and times, According to Their Wisdom, they formulated Their teachings to meet the requirements.
    Moreover, the Original Teachinga of Buddha are not necessarily available unchanged, as the Bible is still available. Then there is also, the issue of interpretations. Buddha and Jesus, in many case said the same thing, but, Buddhists interpreted differently than the Christians. Even, the Buddhists sects, have different interpretations about Buddha.
    But These are outside of OP. OP focuses on the similar statements of Buddha and Jesus about Themselves, and Their station.
     
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  10. crossfire

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    They are obviously not identical. However, I have no problem with considering Jesus as being a bodhisattva, who probably studied Buddhism in Alexandria. Your mileage may vary.
     
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    I agree with this statement, though I use the term 'jivanmukta.' I view Buddha, Krishna, and Jesus all to be jivanmukta, i.e. enlightened beings.
     
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    But their statements in OP, shown to be identical. Are they not?

    How many people in the world do you know, who have said, "I am the first, I am the last"?
    Isn't it ironic to you that Two of the Founders of great Religions have said the same about Themselves?
     
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    But upon further reflection, I suppose all, in their true nature, are identical...at least in my view. :)
     
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    In a few suttas Buddha talk about buddhas before him, so i do not see that he is the first.
     
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    And that thread was also started by yourself in 'religious debates' and it somehow turned into a Bahai discussion. Yes, some of us see the pattern here. Obviously. (I use 'obviously' sarcastically here, because the other day I was told 'I'm right and you're wrong, AND it's blatantly obvious.")
     
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    There are many of Jesus's sayings that are quite puzzling unless you have heard the Buddhist sutta explaining it.
    One such example is from The Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:21-30, especially Matt 5:27-30) where Jesus explains about murder and adultery originating in the heart/mind, and that if your right eye or right hand causes you to sin, cut them out to avoid hellfire. This simile makes total sense if you have read Buddha's Fire Sermon, where sensory contact causes burning suffering, and to escape it you become disenchanted by sensory contact. (You metaphorically pluck out your eye or hand, as Jesus put it.)
     
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    If an Elohim (Divine Being) said such a thing, they'd be an Nephilim (Fallen Being).

    Only the Source (CPU) has the potential to have "I Am" consciousness; yet as Buddha clearly taught, it has no sense of self either, so the verse by Buddha isn't legitimate.

    It was part of a usage of wording to claim the Source has spoken ("I Am speaking"); the idea of turning the Source into having a self, and therefore a sense of ego, is anthropomorphization. :(

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Even as a Baha'i I do not believe they are identical. They are both enlightened/anointed ones of the 'Source' some call Gods(s). The differences are due to the cultural overlay of humans Creating their religion and the 'Source' in their own image. Also, the relationship between the 'Source' and humanity, and Creation is a dynamic diverse process that reflects the attributes of the 'Source in a constantly evolving process.

    The question is whether each religion, division and believe system stands alone as the only one as most believe, or is it part of a greater spiritual evolution of all of humanity and Creation. I could conclude the universal nature of the spiritual evolution from either a Theistic process, or the humanist process when considering it from a universal perspecive, but not from the perspective of the claims of each individual belief system.
     
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    The Baha'i view would reject the ancient religious perspective of the anthropomorphization of the 'Source' some call God(s).
     
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    Buddha told his disciples they would be their own light
    Not so with Jesus who is the light of the world
    A damaged person needs to look to another for mercy and redemption

    Also in some forms of Buddism desire is always bad.
    In the Bible it is what you set the desires on

    Also in Buddism there is no God in a sense
    where in the Bible there is one God and we are not him but can be adopted
    and in a close redeemed relation
     
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