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BREXIT-DOA

Discussion in 'European Politics' started by Bob Jones, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. Notanumber

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    In the months prior to Heath's betrayal the British public had not been convinced that they wanted their country to enter the EEC. Many, perhaps, simply didn't trust the politicians' claims that membership would be merely a commercial convenience. One opinion poll in early 1971 showed that the British people were against entry by the astonishing ratio of three to one. This opposition came despite the expenditure by the European Commission Information Service of around £10 million on trying to persuade opinion formers of the benefits of membership of the EEC.

    With it looking as though joining the EEC might be political suicide the Government became desperate. Heath's Government paid for the distribution of propaganda extolling the virtues of membership, and produced a White Paper which was full of unsubstantiated claims for the EEC and which deliberately omitted any mention of the costs of membership or the fact that joining the EEC was the first step towards a federal states of Europe.

    Heath only got away with his Great Betrayal because the press had decided that entry was a `good thing' (for them and their proprietors), and so did not question any of the claims made by Heath's Government.

    Editors and columnists slavishly obeyed the dictates of their proprietors. If the press had done its job properly (and had investigated and analysed the purpose and value of the Common Market) Britain would have almost certainly never joined the EEC and would now be a considerably wealthier and more powerful nation.

    How The British Media Lied And Tricked Us Into Joining The EU
     
  2. Altfish

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    So, what happened to The Will of The People in 1973?

    The lying was not as endemic as in 2016
     
  3. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    For me it's not being part of a federal Europe which is the ultimate ambition of the EU,non merci.
     
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    But that's more airy fairy nonsense. How will a 'federal Europe' effect me? As opposed to a Tory dictatorship that we currently have?
     
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    The establishment forced us into the EU in 1973 and the establishment has done its damnedest to keep us in ever since.
     
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    I sometimes wonder if you understand the Queen’s English with all your talk about dictatorships, etc.
     
  7. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    Some might say "better the devil you know" but really I just don't want to be part of a federal Europe,if we took the USA for an example as a working model definitely no,if I look at the way the EU works now and how it would be big no.
     
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    But (apart from the fact that Cameron got an opt-out from "ever closer union") why? In what way do you think it will make your life worse? In what way is the current arrangement making your life so terrible, you'd risk no-deal and all the job losses, trouble in NI, and so on? How will your life improve if/when we leave?
     
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    But again, you haven't answered my question.

    How will a federal Europe affect me? What will be different?
     
  10. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    Seems to me the benefits of being part of the EU far outweigh the supposed benefits of being separate from it.
     
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    Good luck in getting an answer to that.
     
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  13. England my lionheart

    England my lionheart Rockerjahili Rebel
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    Ok reel them off.
     
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    Maybe it won't affect you,maybe you'll be happy being a federal European me I won't.
     
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    But, if it doesn't affect me.
    How will it effect you? Why will you be better off, more chilled or whatever?
     
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    I could not stand to ruled over by unelected autocrats like that Guy fellow.

    We got rid of another Guy centuries ago and we still celebrate that fact to this day.
     
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    But that's not an answer.
    What has he done that has affected you?
    Why is your life worse because of decisions he's made?

    Please be precise and specific.
     
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    Notanumber A Free Man

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    The mere thought of the fellow is enough to turn my stomach.

    If I have to watch him it reminds me of all our yesterdays, when they used to show Hitler making his speeches.
     
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    Hopeless, you are hopeless.

    You don't know a single reason, it is just indoctrination
     
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    Because my country will no longer be part of an undemocratic union with a parliament that isn't directly answersable to the people.
     
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