Brahman or God or Allah

[Jainarayan]

My concept is that Brahman (aka 'physical energy') is not a God.
Though nearly all Hindus consider Brahman to be the Supreme Spirit.
According to my view you too are Brahman as every other thing in the universe is, but you do not realize it.
God and Allah are a completely different concept than my concept of Brahman.
What to talk of a relationship with Brahman when I myself am 100% Brahman HERE and NOW?

You saved me from typing virtually the same thing. Truly, people think Brahman is God; it is not. Rather, God, Īshwara, Bhagavān, Allah, Yahweh (if one is so inclined to the Abrahamic beliefs), etc. is a manifestation of Brahman, as are we and everything we see … sarvam khalvidam brahma. This, of course you know.

 

[Jainarayan]

But Allah and God are considered eternal. Eternal isn't something that is limited to linear. It's pointless in all directions because it has no contrast, no limit(s).

Self can't be in contrast to such a being as eternal. Self is eternal only within in it and not in contrast to it.

“Eternal” is a concept of time, which itself is illusion.

 

[Fool]

“Eternal” is a concept of time, which itself is illusion.

time is measurable, eternal = infinite isn't, but it covers both time/space which are the same thing. it is literally pointless, meaningless

 

[Jainarayan]

time is measurable, eternal = infinite isn't, but it covers both time/space which are the same thing. it is literally pointless, meaningless

It’s all illusion, māyā.

 

[Fool]

It’s all illusion, māyā.

the illusion is time and space. that which is everything and everywhere isn't. it doesn't have limits. its the only existing thing. eternity isn't measurable because it has no contrast to anything else. it is all being. unless you think it can stop being and then it can be measured from the beginning to it's end. but that which has no beginning, no end, is not measurable. is eternal being. it isn't static.

you're focused on maya which is illusion of contrasts. that which has no contrast, opposition can't be measured. you have to have at least two to measure anything.


the focus is on the idea of what is all being. not on a name. a name is a way of defining something. that which is defined is measurable. its seen in contrast to the illusion of something else. sometimes the illusion of the observer and the object

 

[Jainarayan]

the illusion is time and space. that which is everything and everywhere isn't. it doesn't have limits. its the only existing thing. eternity isn't measurable because it has no contrast to anything else. it is all being. unless you think it can stop being and then it can be measured from the beginning to it's end. but that which has no beginning, no end, is not measurable. is eternal being. it isn't static.

you're focused on maya which is illusion of contrasts. that which has no contrast, opposition can't be measured. you have to have at least two to measure anything.


the focus is on the idea of what is all being. not on a name. a name is a way of defining something. that which is defined is measurable. its seen in contrast to the illusion of something else. sometimes the illusion of the observer and the object

I have no idea what that word salad was.

 

[Aupmanyav]

'sarvam khalvidam brahma'.

All things this Brahman.

 

[Aupmanyav]

You're focused on maya which is illusion of contrasts. that which has no contrast, opposition can't be measured. you have to have at least two to measure anything.

IMHO, you are correct. We measure things in this make believe world. In reality, there is no measurement.

 

[Fool]

I have no idea what that word salad was.

simple that which has no attributes is infinite. is eternal.


UNKNOWN OR ASAT
Brahman is a huge infinite thing and hence we do not know everything about it. There are parts of the Brahman that are unknown as it is without any beginning or end. According to the Upanishads – if we think we know about the Brahman, we don’t know anything at all. There is no known boundary of the Brahman and hence there are portions that remain unknown and hidden.



Eternal intelligence constitutes its very nature. The individual soul is identical with the Highest Self (Brahman).

 

[Fool]

IMHO, you are correct. We measure things in this make believe world. In reality, there is no measurement.

but to be able to measure space or time, you have to have at least two points. time and space are illusions. brahman which is all; which has no other, is pointless, immeasurable, is infinite, is eternal

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. brahman which is all; which has no other, is pointless, immeasurable, is infinite, is eternal

If it is, then it is. We have still not solved 'the final mystery' whether it is eternal or it arises from 'absolute nothing' and goes back to 'nothing', the problem of existence or non-existence. That is a question for future.

"sato bandhum asati niravindan hṛdi pratīṣyākavayo manīṣā ll"
Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent.
Rig Veda: Rig-Veda, Book 10: HYMN CXXIX. Creation.

 

[osgart]

The fundamental foundational reality grounds all being and is a habitat for being. It produces being. That which produces being is not being.
The fundamental reality is non living intelligence which is like a platonic realm where ideas have life. Humans are formed from ideas.

All we observe and experience is a temporary abode. This mode of being shall fade and the fundamental part of being shall move on from all of this. Hopefully we will carry important lessons into the hereafter. The being is made of intellect and passes into the realm of intellect.

If there is a living source of intellect it remains mysterious. But non living intellect keeps spawning ideas, and universes. We are fortunate to manifest in the physical world and to have identity and be aware that we are aware. Humanity is a fortunate shipwreck. Being is made for intellect and experiences, and intellect is made for being.

 

[ajay0]

if any of those concepts called brahman, god, allah are eternal and existing always in the past, present, future, basically the now, then why aren't it's seekers having a direct relationship with it NOW? why aren't they experiencing it NOW?


a double spirited person is unstable in all it's ways. where is mind?


NOW

Yes, Brahman, God, Allah are all experienced in the now or present moment. However our desires in the form of cravings and aversions prevent us from living in the present moment, and live instead in psychological time or our minds in the past through memories or future through imagination.


'Desire means the present is not sufficient; it is not okay the way it is now. Desire means projection to the next moment. Desire means being unaware of the Infinity. Desire simply means you don't know yourself.' ~ Sri Sri Ravi Shankar